Ripper Facts

[Craig H]

Thanks Joshua and Steve

[Elamarna]

hi

according to this map 1862-1871
it slightly further north, than joshua's map but still same rough location.

so good bet it was there at the dates you want.

http://www.mappalondon.com/london/north-west/bloomsbury.jpg

Steve

[Joshua Rogan]

Here you go...1895, anyway.

http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=18&lat=51.5266&lon=-0.1183&layers=163

[Craig H]

Hi Debra and Dusty

Sorry for my delay in responding – haven’t had much time to check forum last few days.

Great find ….. this is becoming more interesting.

We now know he finished his preliminary exams in November 1876 at University College of London which is in Gower Street, Fitzrovia.

This is close to Regent’s Park where he was staying as a medical student in 1881 Census.

Interesting that the press announcement lists his father Thomas as a chemist, when he was actually a painter or builder.

In 1871 Census, Benjamin was living at 300 High Holborn, where he stated his occupation as an “Assistant and Chemist”

I keep coming back to the previous post / thread on Sugden’s find of a man called Morford who pledged his surgical instruments to a pawnbroker who claimed the man seemed suspicious. This person was lodging on Great Ormond Street and left suddenly.

Sugden found the only person with a similar name was John Orford at Senior Medical Officer at Royal Free Hospital, Gray’s Inn Road

Does anyone know where in Gray’s Inn Road this hospital was in 1888 ? In Google Maps, Royal Free Hospital is now located in another area.

It appears highly unlikely that John Orford was the doctor who had “lost his way” that the pawnbroker described as Orford was in a senior role at the Hospital.

I wonder if Neale had known Orford through their studies, and used his name to pledge his surgical instruments.

300 High Holborn (where Neale was in 1871) is close to Gray’s Inn Road. Maybe they studied together.

Not sure what it could mean ….

All the best

Craig

[Debra A]

My pleasure Debra.

Whether he is a credible suspect or not, it's always fascinating rescuing someone forgotten by history and learning their story.

Yes, I find it all fascinating too...even though Craig doesn't seem interested anymore!

[drstrange169]

My pleasure Debra.

Whether he is a credible suspect or not, it's always fascinating rescuing someone forgotten by history and learning their story.

[Debra A]

Here it is ...

Thanks very much for posting that, Dusty.

[DJA]

where do I search for criminal record ??
Craig

http://www.exclassics.com/newgate/ng718.htm

Might run in the family

[drstrange169]

Here it is ...

[Debra A]

Hi Craig
This is an OCR from the Genes Reunited site. I don't have access to the site or the Bristol newspaper the 'Western Daily press' but perhaps someone else on here does? It looks like Benjamin T M Neale passed his preliminary exams in 1876 at least:

Western Daily Press Bristol, England
3 Nov 1876

THE MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS
to-night pw«» Belle Helene,- one of' the brightest and elevens. Oi'enbaoh's comic operas. Mr Benjamin Thomas Mills Neale, 3<», '' * Neale, te, of Sherston and f imm ml passed his preliminary examination anil . his professional studies the University Hospital

[Craig H]

Many thx Debs, will look at this
Craig

[Debra A]

Hi David
Thanks for the advice on medical records and criminal records.
So is the only way to access the medical register for 1880 - 18882 to go to the British Library in London ?
All the best

Craig

Hi Craig

The Wellcome Library holds some runs. They lists Library Holdings


1859 ; 1862-1883 ; 1885 ; 1895 ; 1917 ; 1926 ; 1930 ; 1932-1962 ; 1964-1968 ; 1969 (part 3) ; 1970-1980 ; 1982-1984 ; 1989 ; 1999-2003.
Location Open shelves

The records on Ancestry have only been digitised in 4 year intervals although the registers were produced annually. In 1891 Neal was listed as 'surgeon' so might reasonably expected to be in the 1891 directory, although it might have been compiled in 1890.

With looking for exam pass announcements in the papers I'd check by the surname Neal and Neale and use the keyword 'surgery' ; 'my' logic being that describing himself as a 'surgeon' in 1891 he'd have had to pass an exam in surgery between 1881, when he's listed as a student, and 1891, if he was legitimate.

[Trevor Marriott]

Hi Observer

The area of witnesses is complex - where were CCTV cameras when you needed them ??

There were some people -including Mrs Long - who referred to a "foreign" man. It's a tough one.

I think the references to the peak cap man are more consistent, and closer to the murder time, that it's probably the one. However, open to interpretation.

I also think the man in Church Lane shortly after the Stride killing was the Ripper, and he appears to be the peak cap man.

All the best

Craig

Craig
Care should be taken when trying to match descriptions of men seen either talking to Stride or being in the area at the time of the murder, the same applies to all the victims.

If Stride was soliciting in the street, then it is likely that she would have accosted almost every man who came by. That being said any description of anyone seen talking to her or being in the area at the time must be treated with caution. She could have accosted the killer at a time when no witnesses were in a position to see this, or observe the killer at the scene.

I also think that she could have been using the dark area located around the stables area to take punters to. If that is correct then the location of body might suggest that her murder was not part of the series but simply domestic related as Don Rumbelow suggested all those years ago. It was too close to the street and too risky for a killer to want to carry out the same mutilations and organs removal as with the others.

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Trevor Marriott]

Hi Obs.

If we only "knew" whether PC Smith's suspect did the scene...

Suspect or person of interest ? Care should be exercised when using the term suspect, they are worlds apart.

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Craig H]

Also, if the medical registers being searched are from Ancestry (which I wasn't even aware were there until now), it should be noted that there is a gap in the registers for the three years from 1880 to 1882 and for the three years from 1884 to 1886 and then a further gap for the three years from 1888 to 1890 so if someone only appeared in the registers during one of those periods they wouldn't be picked up in a search.

Hi David
Thanks for the advice on medical records and criminal records.
So is the only way to access the medical register for 1880 - 18882 to go to the British Library in London ?
All the best

Craig