Seaside Home?

[lynn cates]

sack

Hello Bridewell. Thanks. I can live with that.

Any good speculation about his sacking?

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

I have to wonder if this "City PC" witness was not a misremembering of Robert Sagar's story, which may have existed in his nightly report no longer extanct.

Regards, Jon S.

[Bridewell]

Surmise

Hello Bridewell. Very interesting theory.

I suppose it entails that Harvey fibbed about not seeing anyone?

Cheers.
LC

Pure surmise on my part, but yes.

Regards, Bridewell.

[lynn cates]

recognised

Hello Stephen. I was picking up on Dr. Anderson's tale that the witness recognised the suspect, but being Jewish . . .

It is sometimes thought that the Seaside Home business (Swanson) is the same event.

Cheers.
LC

[Stephen Thomas]

"He would be considered a Jew if his mother was Jewish."

Perhaps, more to the point, "Did Anderson THINK him Jewish?"

Hello Lynn

What has Anderson got to do with this?

The City policeman and Seaside Home stuff are from Macnaghton and Swanson respectively. Anderson mentions neither.

[lynn cates]

mistaken

Hello Errata. Quite true.

My point was that Sir Robert may have believed the witness Jewish and have been completely mistaken.

Cheers.
LC

[Errata]

Hello (again) Bridewell.

"He would be considered a Jew if his mother was Jewish."

Perhaps, more to the point, "Did Anderson THINK him Jewish?"

Cheers.
LC

Judaism is matrilineal, but Christianity is patrilineal. In an interfaith marriage in that era, when the wife was subservient to the husband, the child would be considered (and raised) Christian. Anyone self-identifying as Christian would not be considered Jewish, no matter his parentage.

The only people historically who concede to matrilineal Judaism are Jews. You don't get a lot of people telling Christians that they aren't Christians because their mother was a Jew. Except the Nazis. But even the Klan doesn't do that. I guess they just chalk it up to a victory.

[lynn cates]

sacked

Hello Jason, Bridewell. We know that Harvey was sacked. But that's not necessarily disgraced?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

thinking

Hello (again) Bridewell.

"He would be considered a Jew if his mother was Jewish."

Perhaps, more to the point, "Did Anderson THINK him Jewish?"

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

fib

Hello Bridewell. Very interesting theory.

I suppose it entails that Harvey fibbed about not seeing anyone?

Cheers.
LC

[Phil Carter]

Everything in my bones tells me not to believe in conspiracy theories, but:

What if the "fellow Jew" story was entirely concocted to hide the disgraced policeman? The fellow Jew not wishing to give evidence is a convenient excuse as to why no prosecution could take place. The police were unwilling to admit a mistake by publicly prosecuting, and this evidence coming out.

An excuse had to be found as to why no prosecution could occur. The unwilling Jewish witness is a perfect cover story. The policeman doesnt have to be jewish or even part Jewish.


The above is only a scenario, not my belief.

Hejo Jason,

Yes, it would explain much, I agree, but then one naturally asks for what earthly reason would the dismassal of Harvey be to warrant his dismissal papers being spirited away in the first place?
Shame on the name of the City Force could be anything, and it would be easy though unwise to connect the dismissal with his antecedants re the Eddowes scenario.

Just as a question ONLY- what was the date of the letter to City Police alleging connection between the Eddowes murder and a former City Policeman?
I think the letter is reproduced in 'Letters from Hell' if memory serves me correctly? I havent it handy at this moment.

Harvey was born, I believe, in 1855 and died in 1903.

Best wishes

Phėl

[robhouse]

The Morley House Seaside Convalescent Home for Working Men, which opened in 1883 in St Margaret’s Bay, near Dover, reserved a certain number of beds for members of the City of London Police force.

[jason_c]

Hello Dave,

blimey would be right IF Harvey was 'also a Jew'.

I'll ask the obvious. Was he?

Best wishes

Pėl

Everything in my bones tells me not to believe in conspiracy theories, but:

What if the "fellow Jew" story was entirely concocted to hide the disgraced policeman? The fellow Jew not wishing to give evidence is a convenient excuse as to why no prosecution could take place. The police were unwilling to admit a mistake by publicly prosecuting, and this evidence coming out.

An excuse had to be found as to why no prosecution could occur. The unwilling Jewish witness is a perfect cover story. The policeman doesnt have to be jewish or even part Jewish.


The above is only a scenario, not my belief.

[Bridewell]

Hello Dave,

blimey would be right IF Harvey was 'also a Jew'.

I'll ask the obvious. Was he?

Best wishes

Pėl

He would be considered a Jew if his mother was Jewish. I don't know the answer to that one.

Regards, Bridewell.

[Bridewell]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bridewell
Hi Phil,

What are the Swanson Marginalia, if not a hand-me-down story?

Some may consider them unreliable, but they do exist!

Regards, Bridewell.


A hand-me-down story? I seem to recall such stories told and passed on in written form to author Daniel Farson in written form about the other main Memorana suspect Druitt.

The two things that strike me here are firstly, that hand-me-down stories are ten-a-penny in Ripperology and secondly, if the Swanson hand-me-down story is to be taken seriously, then it is only fair that the contents are subjected to the same scrutiny as any other hand-me-down story.
That means it doesn't matter WHAT TITLE the writer has, WHO the writer is or how near the investigation the writer was, because these lines are PRIVATE, NOT official comments. Therefore it is the story NOT the person that should be the subject of focus.


Best wishes

Phil

Phil,

I didn't ask you to take it seriously. I merely said, in reply to your comment about the lack of hand-me-down stories, that the Swanson Marginalia might be considered to be such. You appear to agree with the only point I was trying to make.

Regards, Bridewell.