Seaside Home?

[Phil Carter]

As me old mum was apt to say..."blimey"

Dave

Hello Dave,

blimey would be right IF Harvey was 'also a Jew'.

I'll ask the obvious. Was he?

Best wishes

Pěl

[Cogidubnus]

As me old mum was apt to say..."blimey"

Dave

[Phil Carter]

Hi Phil,

What are the Swanson Marginalia, if not a hand-me-down story?

Some may consider them unreliable, but they do exist!

Regards, Bridewell.

Hello Bridewell,

A hand-me-down story? I seem to recall such stories told and passed on in written form to author Daniel Farson in written form about the other main Memorana suspect Druitt.
The 'East End murderer- I knew him for example about a man who claimed to have seen a document. Farson file containing the man's letter was 'lost'. In addition, a Mr Gould of Bexleyheath wrote to Farson with another story that seemingly linked Druitt to the WM. It seems the actual reference in this story had nothing to do with Druitt, but Deeming instead.

The two things that strike me here are firstly, that hand-me-down stories are ten-a-penny in Ripperology and secondly, if the Swanson hand-me-down story is to be taken seriously, then it is only fair that the contents are subjected to the same scrutiny as any other hand-me-down story.
That means it doesn't matter WHAT TITLE the writer has, WHO the writer is or how near the investigation the writer was, because these lines are PRIVATE, NOT official comments. Therefore it is the story NOT the person that should be the subject of focus.

As has been pointed out throughout this thread, the story has more holes in it than a fishing net.
This poster concludes that after 25 years, and not one iota of proof found or produced to corroberate this story, its believability is minimal, and with NO reference to Aaron Kosminski and no proven evidence that it refers to AARON at all, it is simply wrong for anyone to use this hand-me-down story to help prove the 'AARON Kosminski is Jack the Ripper' theory on this extremely (factually) dubious hand-me-down. IMHO.
In 1987 it was seen as important. 25 years later- it has been reduced to a 'ahh- but you cant prove it DIDNT happen' story. Why? Because NOTHING factually backs it up and there is iron clad official evidence to show NORMAL methodology used under such circumstances, WITH at least one xample that ticks the boxes.(Pizer)



Best wishes

Phil

[Cogidubnus]

with difficulty...

So would we be contending that the "difficulty" lay in liaison between the Met and City forces rather than simply access?

Cheers

Dave

[Cogidubnus]

Don't think it was me that mentioned it Bridewell, but I believe the City Police seaside home was in Dover....hmmm another long trek...

Dave

[Bridewell]

Which Seaside Home

James Harvey was a City of London policeman...which surely militates away from Brighton or Hove...and Swanson's familiar "Seaside Home" appelation...

Cheers

Dave

Hi Dave,

Wasn't it your good self who pointed out, in an earlier post, that the convalescent home used by the City of London Police was also at the seaside, just not at Brighton?

Regards, Bridewell.

[Cogidubnus]

James Harvey was a City of London policeman...which surely militates away from Brighton or Hove...and Swanson's familiar "Seaside Home" appelation...

Cheers

Dave

[Bridewell]

Why Them?

Exactly, Caz. The bottom line though is the question of why either Schwartz or Lawende would have been staying in a police hospital when they weren't policemen which is something some people here seem to believe.

And the answer is probably that they wouldn't. Therefore, if there is any truth to the whole "Seaside Home" aspect, the witness is probably a policeman.

That would at least answer some questions:

Why was the ID staged at the Seaside Home?*
That's where the witness was.

Why wasn't the confrontation arranged at Leman Street or Commercial Road Police Station?
He might be recognised by other policemen.

Why was there an apparent covert element to this incident?
The witness was a disgraced police officer.

Why is there no official written record of this incident?
The witness was a disgraced police officer.

Why does DSS name the suspect but not the witness?
The witness was a disgraced police officer.

Why is the sentence "Nobody ever saw the Ripper unless it was the City PC who was (on) a beat near Mitre Square" included in the Lady Aberconway version of the MM, but omitted from the final draft?
The witness was a disgraced police officer.

Why is there (so I'm told) no record on his file of the reason for James Harvey's dismissal in July 1889?
It shamed the police service and had to be concealed.

Either the SM are nonsense or the witness was a police officer IMHO.

Regards, Bridewell.

[lynn cates]

informal

Hello Dave. Thanks.

Then the "meeting" was informal after all?

Cheers.
LC

[Cogidubnus]

Hello Dave. Thanks. Then his being placed under arrest is moot.

As I understand it (and I may well be wrong) formal arrest is legally quite a big step...it has to be demonstrably legal for example as it places restrictions on the rights of a citizen...I'm not sure what the late 19th century situation was, but it might be that he was "assisting the police with their enquiries"...or some such equivalent...

Dave

[Bridewell]

Hello Dave,

Then one would be totting up an awful string of caveats and ifs?

We would have to assume:-

5) That nobody, ever, whispered a word, not even a hand me down story

Best wishes

Phil

Hi Phil,

What are the Swanson Marginalia, if not a hand-me-down story?

Some may consider them unreliable, but they do exist!

Regards, Bridewell.

[lynn cates]

moot

Hello Dave. Thanks. Then his being placed under arrest is moot.

Cheers.
LC

[Cogidubnus]

I think the (handy & non-specific) phrase was "taken into custody"

Dave

[lynn cates]

arrest

Hello Harry. Thanks.

But if there is some process of identification underway, would that not be subsequent to an arrest? In other words, he would already have been arrested?

Cheers.
LC

[harry]

Trevor,
We certainly do,though there are some here who might think my throat is a little hoarse with age.Now a question.Would the reports go in the Stride file.or in the Eddowes file, and there be sealed from all other eyes?