Serial Killers, A pattern???

[Chadwick]

I am not trying to base the killings on narcissism, I know that would be far featched but i am trying to find clues in his murders to point to narcissism. And the while looking for other possible disorders that may be present.

yours truly

Hi Corey -- I admire your analysis and agree with it a great deal.

It seems to me that JTR had little time to accomplish what he did. It would seem that he had to have some skill, not just in the mutilations, but in subduing -- killing. I would go along with you on the idea that he had started out with animals.

I agree with you that his neuroses had their origins in his mother, who probably was a prostitute.

The use of a knife, the sadistic violence he exhibited, speak to a personalness and inner rage that could not be expressed in normal society. It would also explain why he didn't engage in sex with these women. If he equated them with her, he might have thought it to be incestual.

But another theory which can be explored is the idea of syphilitic madness. He may well have contracted syphilis from a prostitute and, as a result, carried out revenge. It would lend itself to the insane actions and violent, cruel perversions. It would explain why he was unable to continue. The disease took its course and he succumbed to utter madness and death.

I yield to all of you who are far more knowledgeable on the minutia of this subject, and even know who this Ripper is. I've been reading various threads with great interest. I'm new to these pages and hope to learn from you.

[corey123]

I agree with you there, but Im saying what IF there is signs.

The two v's on Eddowes, maybe its symbolic. Maybe a message, taunting??
cutting the piece of her nose off, a mesage??

i do believe the lusk letter to be real so that can explain for taunting letters.
All though that leads to a more illiterate killer.

[joelhall]

I am not trying to base the killings on narcissism, I know that would be far featched but i am trying to find clues in his murders to point to narcissism. And the while looking for other possible disorders that may be present.

yours truly

well an obvious sign would be goading/bragging letters to police and press, most likely before the murders rather than after... only problem here is he most likely never wrote any of them.

also theres the fact he would do these things right under peoples noses and get away with it... though this doesnt equal proof unless you know the killer and his attitude towards getting away with it.

proof, i fear, will be rather hard to come by in this instance.

[joelhall]

Hello Joel.

"{I]t goes without saying tha[t] these murders are all connected of course."

Indeed. As all things are. (See Leibniz', "Discourse on Metaphysics"--around chapter 5.) But the question is, "How shall we connect them?"

The best.
LC

dont get me started on metaphysics!

well there are numerous ways of tying these things together as you say... wouldnt it be odd if we were both starting to draw the same conclusions?

Hi Joel,

Hope you won't forget my old mate Piggott.
Best suspect, Jack aside, in Chapman's murder!
I wish I could see one pic.

Amitiés,
David

dont think a 4 foot nothing jockey is really going to be a prime suspect in this one david

im not sure if i would ever be able to name anyone for any of the killngs, although i reckon i could definitely narrow down the search area so to speak - assuming records are still available somewhere

[corey123]

rearding the disorganisation/organisation theory - this again is tricky ground. narcissistic or not, you would probably do well to research other mental illnesses before going along this path, as for the basis of serial killing on its own it does not hold up to scrutiny too well. npd as the cause of serial murder seems a little far-fetched given these crimes.
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I am not trying to base the killings on narcissism, I know that would be far featched but i am trying to find clues in his murders to point to narcissism. And the while looking for other possible disorders that may be present.

yours truly

[corey123]

Theory

I still have alot to do as to finish my theory.
And yes joel I am also looking at different mental illnesses.
A overview of what Im doing is trying to either prove he had NPD or disprove. I am confident he had some narcissistic traits but not the full blown disorder. thats what Im trying to prove.

and If a new illness sparks my attention in any of those 300+ pages in that book I ordered from Dr.Canter I will futher investiage.

David,

I would second the deep throat wound, notching the vertebra followed with a deep wound to the abdomen.

which makes me a little weary of stride Ill have to admit.

Hi Mike,

so you want to compare the "ripper-like" murders of 1888 with other murders at other times, on the sole base of Stride, aka Lucky Liz, aka the canonical exception ??

Yïgärmognal, indä, gwadägna !
David

Hi David,

One example of what I meant is Alice Mackenzie. She was "ripped" and if not by the Ripper, then by someone patterning himself after the Ripper.

I agree with Sam, "ripper-like" is near silent attacks, deep throat cuts and at least abdominal wounds if not mutilations.

Best regards David, Sam, all.

[Sam Flynn]

Hello DVV.

"There were not Ripper-like crimes every year in the East End."

Quite possibly. By the way, what is a ripper-like crime? Some have argued that his REAL signature was body placement and hitched up skirts.

That's half the corps-de-ballet at Covent Garden slaughtered by the Ripper every night they performed, then

Seriously, the minimum criteria for a candidate "ripper-like crime" - I'd suggest - would be a deeply-cut throat and long, deep cuts in the abdomen, both achieved with a very sharp knife.

[DVV]

Hi Mike,

so you want to compare the "ripper-like" murders of 1888 with other murders at other times, on the sole base of Stride, aka Lucky Liz, aka the canonical exception ??

Yïgärmognal, indä, gwadägna !
David

Hi Lynn,

that's the problem.
There were not Ripper-like crimes every year in the East End.

Amitiés,
David

Those "ripper-like" crimes must include some ripping to be considered I would think David, because people were regularly killed just like Liz Stride was.

And those ripping crimes in the area do not end November 9th, 1888.

My best regards

[DVV]

By the way, what is a ripper-like crime?
The best.
LC

Easy. It's something we have several examples of in 1888.

Amitiés,
David

[lynn cates]

signature

Hello DVV.

"There were not Ripper-like crimes every year in the East End."

Quite possibly. By the way, what is a ripper-like crime? Some have argued that his REAL signature was body placement and hitched up skirts.

The best.
LC

[DVV]

i no longer think it was a jewish group responsible (or not solely), although i havent completely given up on that idea - just something else which came to light recently seems more probable. dont worry ill post more soon just for you

sorry to be cryptic - i dont like to post a theory when its only half-baked

Hi Joel,

Hope you won't forget my old mate Piggott.
Best suspect, Jack aside, in Chapman's murder!
I wish I could see one pic.

Amitiés,
David

[DVV]

Indeed. How many murders are perpetrated in Detroit (in the colonies) every year?

LC

Hi Lynn,

that's the problem.
There were not Ripper-like crimes every year in the East End.

Amitiés,
David

[joelhall]

Indeed!

I remember it involved early suspects, such as Pizer and Isenchmid, but that's all.

Amitiés,
David

edit: the old chestnut is back, that's it ?

i no longer think it was a jewish group responsible (or not solely), although i havent completely given up on that idea - just something else which came to light recently seems more probable. dont worry ill post more soon just for you

sorry to be cryptic - i dont like to post a theory when its only half-baked