Serial Killers, A pattern???

[corey123]

The screams of any murder victims cant help connect them, only physical evidence, even if it takes the silent aspect out of the ripper it gets us no where.

[DVV]

Agreed Joel,

...but I enjoy pure academic points...
Apparently, the victims couldn't shout loudly.
It tells a little.

Amitiés,
David

[joelhall]

Hi Joel,

Precisely, but several witnesses did hear something, and it helps to demolish the mythic "silence" of the Ripper.

The Hewitts, and probably the Reeves, in Tabram's case.
Cadosch, in Chapman's.
Schwartz in Stride's.
Prater (and Diddles...) at Miller's Court.

Amitiés,
David

in any case it didnt help the victims out much. the least we could call the murders themselves is 'stealthy' - very quick, efficient and with the minimal noise possible.

whether the attack itself it utterly silent just seems to be a purely academic point, and doesnt offer much in the way of evidence. the main reason being - we cant be sure what the noises if any sounded like, and the tone of voice of anything said.

obviously any attack is not going to be completely silent, unless the killer shot them through the throat with a cross bow with a bolt large enough to sever the entire wind pipe, through the larynx, on a windy night and they fell into a dry sponge naked.

pretty unlikely id say.

[DVV]

still - slicing someones throat open usually shuts them up pretty fast. i doubt your killer is the one to give them a chance to react.

so a discussion of whether or not the victims could have uttered a sound doesnt really seem to have a point unless someone heard them.

Hi Joel,

Precisely, but several witnesses did hear something, and it helps to demolish the mythic "silence" of the Ripper.

The Hewitts, and probably the Reeves, in Tabram's case.
Cadosch, in Chapman's.
Schwartz in Stride's.
Prater (and Diddles...) at Miller's Court.

Amitiés,
David

[joelhall]

still - slicing someones throat open usually shuts them up pretty fast. i doubt your killer is the one to give them a chance to react.

so a discussion of whether or not the victims could have uttered a sound doesnt really seem to have a point unless someone heard them.

[Sox]

sox,

Was 13 millers court surrounded by brick walls? Im no expert at sound amplication so Im no use here.

yours truly

No13 had a false wall or partition, if this was a brick wall or not I really couldn't say. If I remember rightly the partition wall was the one which the bed was up against.

[corey123]

sox,

Was 13 millers court surrounded by brick walls? Im no expert at sound amplication so Im no use here.

yours truly

[Sox]

I have no doubt there may have been a struggle, and if so there would have been noise.
But we have a problem, we dont know the duration of the struggle it may have been mary only saying stop then having her throat cut instantly killing her.


Sounds cant link murders, period.

yours truly

And we tend to imagine that people can hear much more through brick walls than they actually can.

[corey123]

I have no doubt there may have been a struggle, and if so there would have been noise.
But we have a problem, we dont know the duration of the struggle it may have been mary only saying stop then having her throat cut instantly killing her.


Sounds cant link murders, period.

yours truly

Im sorry gents but a woman paralyzed with fear doesnt slit her own throat and mutilate herself....Terror or not physical violence must occur for Mary to have been butchered,....and that would make sounds within a house. Unless people slept through it. When we have a witness awake in that house after the sound and no noise following it....that should do it for the attack commencement theorizing.

Best regards

[Sam Flynn]

The only way I would compare and connect murders is by physical evidence.

I agree. That's the only safe approach in this case, Corey. The rest is open to so much speculation.

[corey123]

terror

I should second both statments that terror can silence anyone but not everyone, may I note that terror may also paralyze someone??

But I dont believe it wise to try and make weather or not the victim screamed as a character in his murders.

The only way I would compare and connect murders is by physical evidence.

yours truly

[Sox]

Rape? What cases are we talking about?

It's an example Mike. Many rape victims do not scream because they are in fear of their lives, that if they stay silent then their attacker will not harm them beyond the sexual assault. If Jack did indeed strangle his victims, then they may not have tried to cry out until it was too late.

Hardly unusual though Mike, most victims of rape do not scream, or cry out. Terror can silence anyone.

Rape? What cases are we talking about?

All that was heard was as I said, implying that he intentionally stopped or inhibited their ability to call out..perhaps as a by-product of his particular attack methodology.

Terror can be silent, struggles invariably are not.

Best regards

[Sam Flynn]

"Terror can silence anyone"

Well put, Sox. I can only add, "but not everyone"