Serial Killers, A pattern???

[corey123]

Possible paths

For my third question I have a number of possibilitys.
* As you stated the large number of police officials in the area.
But I have a problem with that, I am aware that alot of the police officials walked the streets in everyday wear, so my question for that would be how easy would it be to spot a police official and how many uniformed officers were on the grounds as well?
*It could have just been a 'cool-off' period.
*If he was Narcissistic he could have staved off the desire to kill by the amount of publicity his murders were attaining during that period. Maybe it was enough for that time?
*Or maybe he wasnt in whitechapel during that period.

And about D'Onston, I dont know, I have always believed in the "Uknown Local" as being Jack the Ripper. Who knows.

I also have seen that Neil Cream was more than likely a narcissist.
Becuse he was most likely a serial killer. He blamed his neighboors. narcissists will never admit their wrong doing.
He boasted about his knowledge of the murders.
Narcissist feel a sense of entitlement and like to be admired.
He even gave tours of the murder sights which lead to his arrest.

Not saying hes the killer just a good model for a LVP murderer suffering from NPD.

yours truly

[lynn cates]

rumination

Hello Corey. Some of these are interesting.

"3)Why was there such a gap between the murders of Sep 30th and Nov 9th?"

Well, the stock answer is that the streets were full of undercover cops. But I think there are better answers.

"4)How can I explain how JtR started killing and why?"

Well, everyone wants to know this one. If, as I believe, there is more than one culprit here, there are multiple motives.

"6)Could [J]ack have developed a behavior patter[n] AFTER the murder of [T]abram?"

I used to believe this. Again, it depends on there being one murderer throughout.

"7)was he a killer looking for sexual gratification or power over life? Either way what fueled his desire to murder?"

Again, we all want to know this. And, of course, it depends on that single killer.

If I understand your thinking, your most fruitful choice may be Roslyn D'Onston (minus the black magic nonsense). His personality fits closer to your criteria than any other suspect of whom I'm aware. His was a very interesting and complex personality.

The best.
LC

[corey123]

Luck number 8

1)what evidence is there to suggest JtR had NPD?
2)What ritual aspects of the crimes or constent variables point to OCD?
3)Why was there such a gap between the murders of Sep 30th and Nov 9th? How could this be caused by NPD?
4)How can I explain how JtR started killing and why?could his view of killing have changed over the coarse of the killling spree?
5)can his fantasy(Mutilation) in the manner he performed it, point to NPD?If so how?
6)Could jack have developed a behavior patter AFTER the murder of tabram? If so how could we trace them?
7)was he a killer looking for sexual gratification or power over life? Either way what fueled his desire to murder?
8) The big question: Would a narcissist be capable of murder, would they make a mess of "Ripping" them open in a violent outburst, rather than a ritualistic and planned manner(disorginized trait) but be able to escape from the scene leaving no clue to the kiler being present apart from the murdered victim itself. And without anybody suspecting them whatsoever?(Organized trait)

I have made 54 check points to go along with the questions that I need to research. some of them I already have checked off.

If anyone has any questions of importance to ad to the list please tell me.

yours truly

[lynn cates]

8 questions

Hello Corey.

"I have already spen[t] considerable time on that issue and have my mind set."

Spending considerable time is probably good. I'm not sure having a set mind is.

At any rate, shoot those 8 questions. Let's see them.

The best.
LC

[corey123]

lynn

Would you like to hear those eight questions I have? And need to answer?

[corey123]

lynn

I have eighht not nine, I believe there to be one hand to the killings.

I have already spend considerable time on that issue and have my mind set.


Thanks.

[lynn cates]

a new piece

Hello Corey.

"I still have 8 very important p[ie]ces of the puzzle to figure out"

9 perhaps? You might wish to start with how many hands were involved in the C5 plus Martha.

The best.
LC

[DVV]

im sure your theory cant be worse than my own, which ive been formulating for nearly two years now... and im sure david still wants to know what it is

Indeed!

I remember it involved early suspects, such as Pizer and Isenchmid, but that's all.

Amitiés,
David

edit: the old chestnut is back, that's it ?

[corey123]

Im going to do alot more research on this.
I am going to find out not one senerio with narcissism but many. And by the process of elimination I will see which one is the more probable.
I have figured enough out that I can safely say I do believe jack had narcissistic personality disorder but I have yet to creat a Full blown theory regarding it.

In the meantime, I would love to here your theory.

i still have 8 very important peices of the puzzle to figure out(which each question takes so much to answer)befor I make a steady theory.

i do think it is highly possible that Jack had narcissism.

yours truly

p.s. Im was just putting out another possible senerio with the head cutting off theory(not that I believe it) just for a theorys sake.

[joelhall]

im sure your theory cant be worse than my own, which ive been formulating for nearly two years now... and im sure david still wants to know what it is

[DVV]

Hi again Corey,

Joel is right, JtR didn't try to sever any head.

As to your theory, well, I'm not sure you can build one solely on psychology/modern profiling, imho.
But not to say it's not interesting, of course.

Amitiés
David

[corey123]

[QUOTE=joelhall;112799]im doubtful this is the case, narcissist or otherwise. if indeed he wished to cut the head off no doubt he would have achieved it, at least in the kelly murder.

this is one of those areas where the narcissist would of course not allow himself to fail if it was his true intention - as far as he is concerned he is bordering on omnipotence and if he wants to sever someones head, then he can and will.

QUOTE]

I think what he wanted to do was mutilate the body, to de-humanize and de-feminize the women he killed. Which he did so.

yours truly

p.s.
I will write some final theory to this, however it wont be for some while, for I have a whole book to read on criminal psychology, and I have to explain how all the aspects of this homicide case would relate to a narcissist.

thanks for your help.

[joelhall]

Also, as it seems that the killer tryed several times to saw through the neck, more or less trying to completly sever the head from the body. What if this only added fuel to the flames? resulting in more sever forms of mutilation??

im doubtful this is the case, narcissist or otherwise. if indeed he wished to cut the head off no doubt he would have achieved it, at least in the kelly murder.

this is one of those areas where the narcissist would of course not allow himself to fail if it was his true intention - as far as he is concerned he is bordering on omnipotence and if he wants to sever someones head, then he can and will.

my own theory here of course is far less grandiose - he simply cut the throat violently enough to get down to the bone.

be sure that you take a very open-minded view when trying to sift through information rather than making quick evaluations, and always keep note of other highly probably scenarios in case you need to go back a few steps and rethink things.

I dont know if you are extremily familiar with psychology in serial killers but if you are, tell me what you think of my theory? And maybe any pointers to add that might help.

no, not very familiar with it, only with mental illness in general. other than the advice ive already given, all i can add is that you dont try to rush things, as this will take a great deal of study - and i would recommend doing it in the order i suggested previously, as otherwise youll find youve put in a great deal of effort for little reward or an unworkable theory.

several of the pointers you mention - choice of victim for one - could be worked with if you accept the killer is afflicted with npd. however, they are certainly not strong indicators of an underlying mental condition, and i would not suggest assuming this first off then building the case around it.

one other thing i might add - its good that youre rying to think outside the box. i tend to do that. sometimes my theories are good, other times theyre... well barking frankly... but even so, its good to look at things from an unexpected angle, or ven just forget the details and look at the whole, such as:

what sort of people kill? all sorts of people from religious fundamentalists to spurned lovers to drunks on a saturday night. there is no set 'type' of definable person who will kill someone else, although in the realms of serial murders, it is of course only a select few (which is something to be thankful for).

what sort of people were the victims? what do we know not just about their lives and backgrounds, but their personalities and habits? were they the innocent victims we know them as or was there something sinister about them, or even some moral wrongdoing that someone might want to punish. remember here that whilst most of us here agree noone deserves to be murdered the idea of innocence like most attributes is subjective. these werent nuns were talking about, nor were they hitler and stalins love-children. the rest of the case is similarly in shades of grey rather than black and white.

besides some personal meaning or mental illness, what motives do different people have for killing? you could link this with the first question - for profit? from hate? to impress someone? of all the murders that have ever happened there have been a multitude (sometimes downright bizarre) or reasons for doing so. sometimes a completely wacky one could be the one youre looking for. sometimes it could the mundane or even acceptable! though i doubt sincerely the latter applies here.

of course this goes against one of the grains of wisdom from the medical community:

'common things happen commonly'.

most times the answer is the obvious one. sometimes of course the obvious is as far from the truth as possible.

good luck, and let us know when you find some answers to the questions you posed for yourself.

[DVV]

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I also realized, I love psychology. Great field.
yours truly

Hi Corey,

This we know! (And appreciate.)

Amitiés,
David

[joelhall]

Hey Joel,

it's good to see you on top form...
This post is too long...More than Fish can do...
Must be your blog, eh?
Needless to say: agreed all round!
And I will be disappointed if Corey's reply is shorter.

Amitiés,
David

as they say david, never use a long word where a diminutive confabulation will suffice