Serial Killers, A pattern???

[corey123]

thats a extremily difficult question to answer.
I have my ideas none of them are very helpful for it would be near impossible to name that reason without naming the killer.
I would say that he never did stop killing, I have no clue why he would stop.
Why would a killer stop killing?
Why did the zodiac stop? was it because he was chased by police after the murder of paul stine? Or that he was very close to detection?

That is the most logical reason I can come up with, he was too close to being caught or he died.

And about narcissist, they seem outwardly confident and 'bullit proof' of emotion but this is not the case.Most narcissists cant stand critisism, they usually rage out towards those who do so to them. They have a sense of that every one is jeolous of them and that everyone else is also a narcissist. I believe that if the killer was a narcissist he didnt get attention from sociaty and didnt get attention from his family and I think his victimology is a result of his past experiances.

One or the other.

yours truly

[Chadwick]

From Hell

It may be.
She ALLEGEDLY said that, we dont know for sure.
All though she was quite drunk on the night of her murder so if she did say that that might be the reason.
I know(from memory) that kelly talked about leaving whitechapel I believe because she was frightened by the scare. But again I believe this is alegedly said.

And I believe the reason Eddowes was killed was simply she was at the wrong place at the wrong time. A very unfortunate way to die.
I believe the killer who had previously killed stride wanted to find another victim so he could feed his desire by mutilating them, and she was easy prey.

yours truly

Corey,

I agree fully that she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Preying on the powerless could also be telling about his own sense of powerlessness. Just a thought. I don't think it plays into your idea of narcissism. Of course, it could. Lack of control in childhood could have led to the development of a narcissistic need for control and power.

Given your theory, what do you think happened to him? Why did the killings stop? Don't you think he was aware, given his statement that he thought he was in hell, was aware how horrible his crimes were?

Best to you.

[corey123]

yes it shall, for both routes we take.

yours truly

[joelhall]

apologies corey.

im sure well explain in another thread, after a little tweaking of course

[lynn cates]

shoulder to the wheel

Hello Corey. Well, the picture will get clearer later. Right now, let's keep pursuing our usual pursuits.

(And I shall endeavour to leave the hijacking to Kosminski.)

The best.
LC

[corey123]

No worrys lynn.

Before you stop, can you explain to me why you think what you think.clarify if you will??

yours truly

[lynn cates]

oops

Hello Corey. So sorry. You are quite right. Carry on.

The best.
LC

[lynn cates]

this and that

Hello Joel.

"[I]f the popular version relates to pseudo-science then yes [I']d prefer not to get started on that either."

Yes, that's the popular acceptation. A sad sport. I refer to Aristotle's "ontology"--the study of being qua being.

"[A]nyway it would depend on what your conclusions were."

True.

"[A]re you of the opinion that the killers were affiliated with each other[?]"

I think the killer/s of C4 and C5 were either the same or known to one another (or, at least, commissioned by the same entity).

"[A]nd the murders themselves had nothing to do with sexual killings, royal conspiracies or mental illness or any other common motive which has been discussed previously?"

I am arriving at that view. I think that, in the days to come, ripperology will take a drastic new course.

The best.
LC

[corey123]

ok now

Maybe you guys should make a thread for this, but not hijack mine.

thanks.

[joelhall]

Hello Joel.

"don[']t get me started on metaphysics!"

OK. I hope you are using the technical philosophical definition here and not the popular version. If you were, I'd prefer silence too.

"well there are numerous ways of tying these things together as you say..."

Quite right.

"wouldn[']t it be odd if we were both starting to draw the same conclusions?"

Perhaps, but not necessarily odd. Average intelligent chaps, when presented with the facts, may draw similar conclusions--especially when personal biases are removed.

The best.
LC

if the popular version relates to pseudo-science then yes id prefer not to get started on that either, hehe.

anyway it would depend on what your conclusions were.

are you of the opinion that the killers were affiliated with each other, and the murders themselves had nothing to do with sexual killings, royal conspiracies or mental illness or any other common motive which has been discussed previously?

[corey123]

Eddowes

It may be.
She ALLEGEDLY said that, we dont know for sure.
All though she was quite drunk on the night of her murder so if she did say that that might be the reason.
I know(from memory) that kelly talked about leaving whitechapel I believe because she was frightened by the scare. But again I believe this is alegedly said.

And I believe the reason Eddowes was killed was simply she was at the wrong place at the wrong time. A very unfortunate way to die.
I believe the killer who had previously killed stride wanted to find another victim so he could feed his desire by mutilating them, and she was easy prey.

yours truly

[Chadwick]

Chadwick,

Thank you for your comments,
first of all welcom to the forums.
Ripperology is indeed fascinating.
I cannot praise myself and say that I am as great at this as you suppose.
But I do see what you see.
As to WHO the ripper was I have no idea whatso ever but do see how he was inflicted in rage and hatred.
It will be hard to prove the narcissistic theory but I believe it may be done for I already have a workable senerio that fits good with it.
He did have little time, but that really depends on the location.
Bucks row, and open street where passer bys may pass every second.
The back yard of No.29, secluded yet not, hidden by a five foot fence .Anyone could have walked through the back door and discover them at any moment.
Dutfields yard, a yard quite empty, though right next to the socialist gathering of 200+ memebers.
Mitre sqaure,a public square filled with some private housing and business buildings. Regularly patroled by police.
And the most secluded the room of No.13 millers court. where he could and did have all the time in the world.(at least untill McCarthy sent for doss money)And he took advantage of that situation, leaving the place in carnage.


there are many aspects of this case which I need and have overlooked time and time again for this theory.

Ps. Maybe it got even more personal as he got to Kate and kelly?Face shows it.

yours truly

Corey,

Thank you for your cordial reply and welcome.

Is it true that Catherine Eddowes told the police she knew who the Ripper was when she was at the police station on the night she died? Could that have been why she was killed and was so marred? She confronted him.

Best to you.

[corey123]

Chadwick,

Thank you for your comments,
first of all welcom to the forums.
Ripperology is indeed fascinating.
I cannot praise myself and say that I am as great at this as you suppose.
But I do see what you see.
As to WHO the ripper was I have no idea whatso ever but do see how he was inflicted in rage and hatred.
It will be hard to prove the narcissistic theory but I believe it may be done for I already have a workable senerio that fits good with it.
He did have little time, but that really depends on the location.
Bucks row, and open street where passer bys may pass every second.
The back yard of No.29, secluded yet not, hidden by a five foot fence .Anyone could have walked through the back door and discover them at any moment.
Dutfields yard, a yard quite empty, though right next to the socialist gathering of 200+ memebers.
Mitre sqaure,a public square filled with some private housing and business buildings. Regularly patroled by police.
And the most secluded the room of No.13 millers court. where he could and did have all the time in the world.(at least untill McCarthy sent for doss money)And he took advantage of that situation, leaving the place in carnage.


there are many aspects of this case which I need and have overlooked time and time again for this theory.

Ps. Maybe it got even more personal as he got to Kate and kelly?Face shows it.

yours truly

[lynn cates]

criteria

Hello Sam.

"That's half the corps-de-ballet at Covent Garden slaughtered by the Ripper every night they performed, then."

Oh, very well. I'm to stop thinking about hitched up skirts and body placement then? As you wish.

The best.
LC

[lynn cates]

conclusions

Hello Joel.

"don[']t get me started on metaphysics!"

OK. I hope you are using the technical philosophical definition here and not the popular version. If you were, I'd prefer silence too.

"well there are numerous ways of tying these things together as you say..."

Quite right.

"wouldn[']t it be odd if we were both starting to draw the same conclusions?"

Perhaps, but not necessarily odd. Average intelligent chaps, when presented with the facts, may draw similar conclusions--especially when personal biases are removed.

The best.
LC