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[lynn cates]

What Mitre been.

Hello Trevor. Thanks.

A dark part of Mitre sq? Excellent place for a clandestine meeting, eh?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

the rest of the story

Hello (again) Trevor.

"Nothing there to show she was in a hurry to get out."

Yes. But look at ALL his testimony.

Cheers.
LC

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Maybe just for simplicity's sake

Jail is jail. Ripper or no. Maybe she had a place to be or something to do. Maybe she just wanted to NOT be in jail. If she was sincere about the impending hiding she would receive it is understandable she did not run towards it. She had been quite drunk previously, so some dog hair could have been a reasonable first step in the rest of her evening.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Observer

And just as a little fillip. A poster asked, I forget who, if there were any pointers linking Eddowes and prostitution.

It's not much, and from a newspaper, I know I know, but.

The Morning News 4th Oct 1888

"Nobody, however, heard the faintest indication of a struggle going on. It seems that the particular corner of Mitre-square in which the body of the woman was found has long had an evil reputation.
Said a man whose occupation for many years has thoroughly familiarized him with the locality and all that has gone on in it, "I have often heard the policeman who went this beat regularly for sixteen years say that that was a well-known resort, and from my own knowledge it is so.

And of course we have Levy's observance

"Look there, I don't like going home by myself when I see those characters about,"

Believe that was me who asked. Thanks. And oh that Levy. He has always given me a feeling he was not as forthcoming as he could've been. Has anyone ever located a pic of him?

[curious4]

Headings

Hello Trevor. Thanks.

A dark part of Mitre sq? Excellent place for a clandestine meeting, eh?

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn,

That heading takes my prize for best yet.

Cheers,
Gwyneth

[curious4]

Too late

Jail is jail. Ripper or no. Maybe she had a place to be or something to do. Maybe she just wanted to NOT be in jail. If she was sincere about the impending hiding she would receive it is understandable she did not run towards it. She had been quite drunk previously, so some dog hair could have been a reasonable first step in the rest of her evening.

Hello DALDW,

Except that the releasing officer said that it was too late for her to get anything more to drink.

Best wishes,
C4

[RivkahChaya]

Hello Rivkah. Thanks.

"Washing externally doesn't get rid of internal semen."

Quite. The ladies were checked INTERNALLY (no sign of recent connection) as well as EXTERNALLY (no secretions on thighs).

That was rather my point. Washing, assuming they did it, was for the benefit of the next customer. Douching, if they did it, would have been for birth control, the only problem being that it wasn't a very effective form of birth control, as it could actually force semen further along into the cervix, and they probably had access only to the kind of water likely to give them infections. However, if any of them did do that, it probably would get rid of the visual evidence of "connection."

But, I'm assuming that what they did was swab, and examine the swabs under a microscope. If they found motile sperm, they would have "evidence of recent connection." Sperm can remain motile inside a woman's vagina for 72 hours, although, if the woman is dead, and her body temperature is below 98.6°F, I assume they die faster, but the victims were all found pretty soon. There could still be non-motile sperm visible in a swab, but it would be harder to say whether they were dead due to time, or temperature. I mean, vaginal secretions slough out ejaculate, and gravity helps, so the assumption probably would be that non-motile sperm were dead due to the temperature of the body.

Sperm were first observed in semen under microscope in the 1670s, so I'm pretty sure the coroner would know to look for it.

Hello Observer,

Yes, I suppose you do have a point. Could be.

Hello Trevor,

No, still think that it sounds more as though she wanted out. Perhaps she could get some idea of the time from church clocks striking the hour nearby? In the normal order of things, wouldn't she have been kept there until the morning? Kelly seemed to have thought so.

Best wishes
C4

Hi Mr Marriot

Right. So are you of an opinion that Eddowes was gently shown the door so to speak? It was in fact the police who used their initiative to put Eddowes back on the street. It certainly looks that way.

Regards

Observer

Do we have the word of anyone but the cop who released her that Eddowes kept asking to get out? If she was released earlier than was SOP, and met her death, the person who released her would probably be in for some questioning. Could he have made up that story?

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Heh heh

Hello DALDW,

Except that the releasing officer said that it was too late for her to get anything more to drink.

Best wishes,
C4

I'm sure there were ways to get alcohol past hours. I believe I recall a discussion about that very thing. Blotchy and his pail O'beer. I know that prob would've been my aim anyways.

[lynn cates]

thanks

Hello Gwyneth. Thanks. You are too kind.

Cheers.
LC

[Cogidubnus]

She is Lynn, I agree...

All the best

Dave

PS I'm waiting for the bit when you say "Cute" - I love that!

[DVV]

Which, if any, witnesses lied in their inquest testimony / statements to police?

A very good question.

[lynn cates]

cute

Hello Dave. Thanks.

Very well, then--"cute."

Now, does that refer to the levity or Gwyneth? (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[Cogidubnus]

Definitely Gwyneth, sight unseen, (you see I, at least, know how to treat a lady! ), but also, just possibly the proposition - I must admit I'd never previously considered the dialogue between Eddowes and PC Hutt as that vital...

If nothing else, this particular exchange has taught me the importance of even the minutiae - so thanks both Lynn and Gwyneth

All the best

Dave

[Monty]

City release there drunks when they were deemed sober, and clearly Eddowes was.

Ripperologist 75....I think.

Monty

[Cogidubnus]

But do they define sober as a state of being able to spell "their" correctly? Sorry Neil I couldn't resist, and I'm sure you'll get your own back!

All the best
Dave