What 5 Questions Would You Like Answered?

[RivkahChaya]

People who have been alcoholics for a long time can appear sober when they still have a measurable BAC. What's more, someone who is a genuine alcohol addict can get very ill if forced to go through sudden withdrawal. That's what the DTs are. People can die during a seizure when they have the DTs.

If Eddowes was a genuine addict, having access to alcohol was more important to her than having a bed for the night. The shakes and the vomiting when a person starts going into withdrawal are really awful. I've never experienced them, but I've seen them.

I don't know that she was an alcoholic, but I've seen her described that way. I'm not really sure what the definition of alcoholic is anymore, though. It used to be reserved for addicts who would go into physical withdrawal, but lately, it seems to be applied to anyone who tends to act like an ******* when he drinks, or anyone who drinks to escape real (as opposed to imagined, or blown out of proportion) problems in his or her life, whether or not the person is actually addicted. Anyway, it sounds like Eddowes got drunk pretty frequently, but I've never heard about her having the DTs.

[lynn cates]

high time

Hello Dave. Thanks.

"I must admit I'd never previously considered the dialogue between Eddowes and PC Hutt as that vital."

Well, perhaps it's not. But it DOES give us a glimpse into Kate's thinking.

It is oft repeated that LVP were not punctual. Very well. And one would expect Kate to wish to return home, but not be too concerned about time.

But here, she asks and Hutt makes a snide remark. But she insists, "Well, but what time is it?" Sounds like concern to me.

Why?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

rule

Hello Neil. Indeed.

And John Kelly was fully conversant with that rule.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Doug and Dimmesdale

Hello Dave.

"Sorry Neil I couldn't resist"

Ah! You're a naughty boy, Clement!

Cheers.
LC

[Cogidubnus]

Oh Lynn, how can a Texan have such mastery of something that literally ruled a British lad's adolescence?

And, totally separately, (heh-heh) all your "strange" theories by all rights ought to repel me as far-fetched...All your stated doubts ought to incite me into posting against...And yet despite myself, I always find myself drawn trowards at least listening to what you say...from which I do pick up odd snippets, especially from Arbeiter Frant...

Christ Lynn that's almost a Eulogy...going soon are you?

All the best

Dave

[lynn cates]

Silly Walks R Us

Hello Dave. Thanks.

"Oh Lynn, how can a Texan have such mastery of something that literally ruled a British lad's adolescence?"

Indeed. Phil Carter once told me that every boy in his school did a "silly walk" in honour of John Cleese.

"And, totally separately, (heh-heh) all your "strange" theories by all rights ought to repel me as far-fetched...All your stated doubts ought to incite me into posting against...And yet despite myself, I always find myself drawn trowards at least listening to what you say...from which I do pick up odd snippets, especially from Arbeiter Frant..."

Thanks!

"Christ Lynn that's almost a Eulogy...going soon are you?"

Well, if an old man's aches and pains are any indicator . . . (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

City release there drunks when they were deemed sober, and clearly Eddowes was.

Ripperologist 75....I think.

Monty

And all she had to do was give her correct name & address, she would be deemed cognisant?

(PC Hut) "I was directed by Sergeant Byfield to see if any of the prisoners were fit to be discharged. I found the deceased sober, and after she had given her name and address, she was allowed to leave."

How she made it through the door may have been of secondary concern.

[DVV]

Looks like nobody has ever been in custody after some drinks here...
Shame.

[RivkahChaya]

I am proud to say I have never been in custody, period.

[Fleetwood Mac]

I am proud to say I have never been in custody, period.

I was once locked up when 18.

I hadn't done much at all - it was a period of zero tolerance in the town I come from.

The polis here like to keep you in the cells until say 5 in the morning, so that when they kick you out you have no way of getting home except a taxi or raising someone from their bed.

I think there is a decent chance they waited until the pubs were closed before showing Kate the door. When someone is locked up in a cell it is the polis making the decisions. Kate could have screamed the place down and I doubt it would have made any difference in terms of when she was let out. I suppose it makes sense for a law enforcement officer to wait until the pubs are shut before letting out someone blind drunk a few hours earlier.

[RivkahChaya]

As litigious as the US is now, I've a feeling that if a woman were let out of prison today, and left to walk home in the small hours of the morning, and ended up murdered, her family would have a wrongful death lawsuit against the city, which they would probably win-- or rather, it would probably be settled out of court.

Of course, there are more options now: sending her home in a squad car; calling her a cab; releasing her to a family member; sending her to a hospital for a psych hold, so that when she got released, she'd definitely be sober and not in withdrawal, she'd get a shower and a night's sleep in a bed, and three square meals.

[Wickerman]

Looks like nobody has ever been in custody after some drinks here...
Shame.

Quite true, but I did slide under the rear of a police car on my motorbike, too drunk to stop. Both officers got out and helped me up, and got me on my way.

It was a snowy night, it was christmas, and it was 1972

Wouldn't get away with that today.

[curious4]

Flattery

Gentlemen! I am overwhelmed! I don't, as yet, have to wear a paper bag over my head when going out and it isn't so long ago that I had my bottom pinched at the opera (Wagner, not a favourite , and he was an elderly gentleman, so I can only conclude that he became overheated). Nevertheless, I strongly ssuspect that you only covet my feather duster. Now if someone would only notice my thoughts on Willie the pig farmer, my cup runneth over!

Back to Kate. According to The Ultimate JTR Sourcebook, Stewart Evans and Keith Skinner, Kate asked when she would be released at 12.30, roughly half an hour before the sergeant in charge told constable Hutt to check which prisoners could be released. Support for the rendezvous idea?

All good wishes,
C4/Gwy.erh

P.S. I am aware that "purport" is wrongly spelled in my Willie post - curse of the polyglot (would make a giood title for a horror film, thar)

[Cogidubnus]

The feather duster...phwoar...

Hi Gwy.erh

A little more water perhaps?

All the best!

Dave

[lynn cates]

eager

Hello Gwyneth. Thanks.

Pinched your bottom whilst playing Wagner? Ride of the Valkyries, perhaps? (heh-heh)

Seriously, it seems that Kate was quite eager to get out AND on time.

Cheers.
LC