What 5 Questions Would You Like Answered?

[RivkahChaya]

Never hear that saying never look a gift horse in the mouth.

If they werent looking for business what were they doing wandering the streets at those late hours ?

Wow. What are you, a sex crimes defense attorney from 1962?

John Kelly said he and Kate walked the streets all night when they didn't have doss money.

Were there really enough beds for anyone who potentially might want one, or was it possible not to get a bed just by showing up too late, even if you had the money?

[c.d.]

I'm not quite sure what point is being argued here (as is so often the case on these boards). Is it being argued that since there were no signs of connection found that these women were not engaged in prostitution? And therefore, if they were not engaged in prostitution, they were not Ripper victims? If that is the argument,then it would appear that argument is easily disproved, oral sex, washing etc.

As for the washing method, I am confident that they could have figured something out since it would be an occupational hazard.

c.d.

[curious4]

Only option left?

Hello Trevor,

I was talking about Polly Nichols' comment that she had had her doss money three times that night - making the point that she didn't necessarily prostitute herself to get it then. As she had subsequently spent it all on drink, she probably was trying to earn it in the only way left open to her. Doubtless still hoping her new bonnet would render her irresistible.

Best wishes,
C4

[Trevor Marriott]

I'm not quite sure what point is being argued here (as is so often the case on these boards). Is it being argued that since there were no signs of connection found that these women were not engaged in prostitution? And therefore, if they were not engaged in prostitution, they were not Ripper victims? If that is the argument,then it would appear that argument is easily disproved, oral sex, washing etc.

As for the washing method, I am confident that they could have figured something out since it would be an occupational hazard.

c.d.

I agree the point is that just because the doctors could find no trace of connection is doesn't mean to say that none took place is some for or another.

[Trevor Marriott]

Wow. What are you, a sex crimes defense attorney from 1962?

John Kelly said he and Kate walked the streets all night when they didn't have doss money.

Well they had no choice did they ?

Were there really enough beds for anyone who potentially might want one, or was it possible not to get a bed just by showing up too late, even if you had the money?

The point is that no matter what they were doing or where they were going, or what time it was. If the opportunity presented itself for these women to prostitute themselves then they would. end of argument

[RivkahChaya]

The point is that no matter what they were doing or where they were going, or what time it was. If the opportunity presented itself for these women to prostitute themselves then they would. end of argument

Right. Because prostitution is so fun and so easy, there was no chance of them being mugged if there were carrying money around, and there wasn't a serial killer in the area, so that women who did earn money that way weren't looking for other means, and trying to avoid strangers, at least for the time being.

[curious4]

Necessity

Hello Trevor,

I think you should substitute the word "necessity" for opportunity in your comment. We're talking a few coppers here (coppers as in money, I mean) not "Pretty Woman", I doubt that the women particularly relished the transaction.

Best regards,
C4

[Trevor Marriott]

Right. Because prostitution is so fun and so easy, there was no chance of them being mugged if there were carrying money around, and there wasn't a serial killer in the area, so that women who did earn money that way weren't looking for other means, and trying to avoid strangers, at least for the time being.

"When needs must the devil calls"!

When you are desperate caution is thrown to the wind.

[Jon Guy]

Yupp! Devious lot, women!

Tell me about it ;-)

[curious4]

Thrown to the winds

"When needs must the devil calls"!

When you are desperate caution is thrown to the wind.

Along with the french maid's uniform!

C4

[Trevor Marriott]

Along with the french maid's uniform!

C4

Have you got one then ?

[curious4]

French maid

Hello Trevor,

Doesn't fit any more

C4

[RivkahChaya]

"When needs must the devil calls"!

When you are desperate caution is thrown to the wind.

Do you have a source for your information? I really don't think these women absolutely never passed up the opportunity to turn a trick; I think they did other work when they could, probably begged and scrounged sometimes, and resorted to prostitution when they were desperate, but in that, didn't do more than the bare necessity. If a woman had her doss money, and was headed to the doss house, when someone approached her and asked for sex, I think she'd turn him down. She didn't need the money at that moment, and saving it for the next day was risky, because there was a chance it would get stolen. Better to wait until right before she needed it. Aside from the fact that it didn't make her a target for theft, she had 24 hours to hope something less unpleasant came up (no pun intended).

[DVV]

Right. They were daily casual prostitutes and never drank two glasses at a time.

[lynn cates]

What's on the menu?

Hello Trevor. Thanks.

"Let's sort the wheat from the chaff on this topic of connection."

Always ready so to do.

"It is painful to watch these posts."

Wasn't going to say anything, but . . .

"The doctors suggest no recent connection, but surely that does not mean that none took place?"

Agreed. I could agree further if I knew to whom you refer. Polly almost certainly had, but, as Oram suggested, she was a VERY clean woman. So saith Llewellyn. Obviously, she washed at the lodginghouse. Kate showed no signs of connection and her thighs were without secretions. Perhaps there was a good reason for that, say, no connection?

"The doctors would have been looking for signs of semen externally and internally."

Quite.

"If they had been with anyone and had engaged in vaginal or anal sex then who is to say that the person or persons they went with did not ejaculate outside of the body."

No one. But why assume such? Is it required for a theory?

"If a client did not have sufficient money for the full menu. They would have been offered a starter at a reduced rate."

Never heard of such a menu. Love to see it. (No, not for THAT reason. heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC