What 5 Questions Would You Like Answered?

[RivkahChaya]

I don't think that has ever been a time where some people didn't go through trash for food.

I was thinking more in terms of making regular rounds, something a lot of homeless people do on a schedule. There are occasional turf wars. That could even explain why she was watching the clock.

Hello DLD W. Thanks.

I believe that Annie's assailant was doing just that. Sadly, he had no idea what was valuable, thinking brass rings were gold.

Cheers.
LC

He also wasn't terribly savvy, if he though someone with gold rings would be turning tricks in alleys.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Lynn and Rivkah!

Rings, could just be grab whatever might be valuable just in case. Now, if you wanna go deeper, or possibly deeper, the murderer could have thought the rings were of some importance to the victim then they might have been very valuable to the murderer. Pure fanciful meandering. As far as Eddowes being concerned with the time for working rounds, it is possible of course but I think her reason for it all the more likely. When people ask why she went the direction she did I tend to think it was for drink. That being one of the most likely options. I'm advancing towards the fridge currently.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Trevor! Great to have you in here.

The neat pile suggest she could have put them there herself intending to pick them up after engaging in her sexual activity.

No evidence to show the killer cut her pocket. Best not jump to the wrong conclusions.

As to Kate how do we know that the items found on the floor did not simply fall out of her pockets when she fell to the to the ground or when the killer lifted up her clothes.

Two sides to every argument it seems though as if many want to look at it one sided

On your first point, it seems like emptying your belongings before coetus an unlikely and impractical thing. How long did those encounters usually last I wonder? And why a neat pile? On your third point, weren't all the belongings she had all on the ground? Everything fell out? On your final point, two sides? Ha, we should be so lucky were there only two to contend with. Many blessings.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

And...

Many thanks and much appreciation to all of you posters who are willing to discuss and engage in a reasonable and productive manner. You have my grattitude. My crappy spelling and insufficient phrasing as well.

[Trevor Marriott]

Hi Lynn

Hello Trevor. Thanks.

"The neat pile suggests she could have put them there herself intending to pick them up after engaging in her sexual activity."

But why take them out in the first place? And if the killer did it, surely he was mentally unstable?

"No evidence to show the killer cut her pocket. Best not jump to the wrong conclusions."

Whom cut it then? Surely not Annie?

Sadly we don't have a full list of all of Annies clothing showing any cuts caused when she was stabbed as we do with Eddowes. Thats why you cant say that the killer specifically cut the pockets etc.

"As to Kate how do we know that the items found on the floor did not simply fall out of her pockets when she fell to the ground or when the killer lifted up her clothes."

The killer cut through her clothes. Unlike Polly and Annie. And how does a mustard tin merely fall out?

Yes with Eddowes the killer did cut though her clothes but not to rifle her pockets.

How does anything fall out of peoples pockets it happens all the time

Cheers.
LC

[Trevor Marriott]

On your first point, it seems like emptying your belongings before coetus an unlikely and impractical thing. How long did those encounters usually last I wonder? And why a neat pile? On your third point, weren't all the belongings she had all on the ground? Everything fell out? On your final point, two sides? Ha, we should be so lucky were there only two to contend with. Many blessings.

Well you cant have it all ways either she put them on the ground or they fell out. If the items were in her pockets and she was going to lift her clothes up to have sex then surely they would likely as not fall out when the clothes were lifted up.


Why make an easy answer simple, when you can make a simple answer difficult but then again thats Ripperolgy.

[Monty]

Well you cant have it all ways either she put them on the ground or they fell out. If the items were in her pockets and she was going to lift her clothes up to have sex then surely they would likely as not fall out when the clothes were lifted up.


Why make an easy answer simple, when you can make a simple answer difficult but then again thats Ripperolgy.

And this would be repeated with every client.

My goodness Trev, Eddowes was truly dumb wasnt she?

Simple answers huh?

Monty

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Trevor.

Not attempting to have it all ways. Were prostitutes in the habit of removing all of their belongings before providing services? Seems like a fine way to be robbed. It seems the simplest answer is that her murderer went through her belongings. It appears he took her rings from her fingers. Why not go through her pockets?

[Monty]

Not attempting to have it all ways. Were prostitutes in the habit of removing all of their belongings before providing services? Seems like a fine way to be robbed. It seems the simplest answer is that her murderer went through her belongings. It appears he took her rings from her fingers. Why not go through her pockets?

They wore pockets, drawn tight with string, around the waste.

Not like pockets today....so no, there was no need to take items out of their pockets nor would they fall out.

I agree, the killer rifled her pockets, the evidence supports this.

Monty

[DVV]

Hello Abby. Eddowes soliciting immediately upon release from gaol? No food? No drink? No privy? Already in fear of being late?
LC

Hi Lynn

How could she buy food and drink without money, please ?
If she was hungry and thirsty, she had to find some quickly.
So what do you mean ?

Cheers

[DVV]

And this would be repeated with every client.

My goodness Trev, Eddowes was truly dumb wasnt she?

Simple answers huh?

Monty

Hi Neil

Looks as if you were not wholly convinced.
God knows why.

Cheers

[Trevor Marriott]

They wore pockets, drawn tight with string, around the waste.

Not like pockets today....so no, there was no need to take items out of their pockets nor would they fall out.

I agree, the killer rifled her pockets, the evidence supports this.

What evidence ?


Monty

Well that's par for the course you contradicting anything I say you just cant help it can you ?

So now in 5 mins he even had time to rifle her pockets come on get real.

How do you exactly know what type of dress or pockets any of the victims had in their clothes in any event.

And besides the killer stabbed Eddowes and cut her from the waistband twice downwards and once across.

Take your blinkers off !

[Trevor Marriott]

Hi Neil

Looks as if you were not wholly convinced.
God knows why.

Cheers

You are clearly not au fait with the ways of the world !

[Michael W Richards]

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

I believe that Annie's assailant was doing just that. Sadly, he had no idea what was valuable, thinking brass rings were gold.

Cheers.
LC

I tend to side with this argument as well Lynn, however, there were visits to pawn shops after this meeting that didn't reveal someone trying to pawn said rings. Surely if he thought they had value he would try to cash in on that. Which raises the possibility of trophies...perhaps in addition to the organs. I recall a story that stated Tumblety carried some cheap imitation gold rings in his vest pocket..noted only as an aside.

All the best

[lynn cates]

not savvy

Hello Rivkah. Thanks.

"He also wasn't terribly savvy, if he though someone with gold rings would be turning tricks in alleys."

Quite. Not to mention talking loudly outside a window.

Cheers.
LC