EU Vote

[John G]

Ok John I've read that. I'll try to read the other one tonight.

Hi Robert,

Okay. Hope you find it interesting.

[Robert]

Ok John I've read that. I'll try to read the other one tonight.

[John G]

John, I've just noticed that if I give them my email I can read it for free, so I'll try to do that tonight.

Hi Robert,

Great. Hers's a transcript of Patrick Minford's original article: https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/po...and-even-brie/ (hope the link works!)

In the key paragraph Minford argues: " Over time, if we left the EU, it seems likely we would mostly eliminate manufacturing, leaving mainly industries such as design, marketing and hi-tech. But this shouldn't scare us."

[Robert]

John, I've just noticed that if I give them my email I can read it for free, so I'll try to do that tonight.

[John G]

John, I couldn't read the article you linked to, because it's a paysite.

Hi Robert

I've just clicked on to it and it's certainly accessible from the UK, without having to pay.The article is from the Spectator magazine and is a transcript of an interview Farage gave to a political journalist. Here's the link again: http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06...w-neil-brexit/

I would also note that he is commenting on a proposal from his favourite economist, Patrick Minford.

[Robert]

John, I couldn't read the article you linked to, because it's a paysite.

[Robert]

I hear what you're saying, Svensson, but I think I agree with the EU politician (can't remember who it was) who said that the EU must go forward because if it doesn't go forward, then it will go backwards.

I don't see how the present situation can possibly be maintained. I would suggest that the EU will either have to :

Go forward to full union, with money transfers between the former countries (e.g. from Germany to Greece).

Or

Abandon the Euro, or at the least shave off the southern European countries to leave a tighter, northern Eurozone.

[John G]

Just nonsense, absolute nonsense.

I shouldn't really have to say this but you need this sort of caveat to prevent the "RACIST" accusations. I've never voted for UKIP and never will do.

Farage is not an extremist. He's a died-in-the-wool conservative who dreams of rural England, warm beer, cricket, localised power - that sort of thing.

And, maybe, just maybe, no one was convinced by Farage in the 'industrial North'. What? Do you think we need our eyes opening to what has been going on for a long time?

Farage will never, ever be one of us, because he's from a different world - a sort of shire conservative - and he certainly didn't open anyone's eyes.

This is just more of the condescending attitude that you people have towards the Working Classes - we're all so stupid that we're sheep being led 'round the block - you couldn't possibly conceive of a situation where actually we're just sick and tired of the pricks and one lot of politicians is bad enough but another lot on top with four presidents and paying themselves a special rate of lower income tax that us mere serfs are not afforded, and being paid a small fortune to draw up regulations about pillow cases and tooth brushes at our expense; is simply beyond the pale.

And they're not trusted, none of them. A lot of people up here voted out of a sense of '**** you' to all of the politicians. Better to have one lot of politicians than two. More manageable.

I'm not at all sure what points you are trying to make and, for clarification, I consider myself to be working class. As for Nigel Farrage being a political extremist, I consider anyone who would accept the elimination of British manufacturing industry-on the basis of scrapping tariffs for imported goods, whilst allowing other countries to levy tariffs against British goods- to fall into that category regardless of their other beliefs. (Did you actually read the Farage article I provided a link to and, if you did, do you think you understood its implications?)

[Svensson]

Yes, the idea of keeping good relations with Europe has its balls caught in a zip-wire and is going nowhere. His first trip to the US or Kenya should also be interesting.

[Ginger]

Oh yes! Boris for Foreign Sec'y! I can only imagine the expression on Merkel and Juncker's faces!

[Fleetwood Mac]

Great. We now have a circus clown for a foreign secretary. The public humiliation shows no end...

Time will tell.

He doesn't look the part granted, and at times doesn't act the part.

And, I must say at this point that I'm not a conservative so have no horse in that particular race.

But, God knows we've tried all of the slick, spin doctor types - so why not have someone not cut from the same cloth? Or are you easily impressed by a few choice words and a sharp fitting suit?

[Fleetwood Mac]

I think it could be argued that Nigel Farage is a political extremist who, apparently, in agreement with his favourite economist, would be prepared to accept the elimination of British manufacturing industry as a price for leaving the EU. I wonder how many manufacturing industry workers and their families, in say the North and Midlands, who may have voted for Brexit and UKIP, are aware of this. See: http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06...w-neil-brexit/

Just nonsense, absolute nonsense.

I shouldn't really have to say this but you need this sort of caveat to prevent the "RACIST" accusations. I've never voted for UKIP and never will do.

Farage is not an extremist. He's a died-in-the-wool conservative who dreams of rural England, warm beer, cricket, localised power - that sort of thing.

And, maybe, just maybe, no one was convinced by Farage in the 'industrial North'. What? Do you think we need our eyes opening to what has been going on for a long time?

Farage will never, ever be one of us, because he's from a different world - a sort of shire conservative - and he certainly didn't open anyone's eyes.

This is just more of the condescending attitude that you people have towards the Working Classes - we're all so stupid that we're sheep being led 'round the block - you couldn't possibly conceive of a situation where actually we're just sick and tired of the pricks and one lot of politicians is bad enough but another lot on top with four presidents and paying themselves a special rate of lower income tax that us mere serfs are not afforded, and being paid a small fortune to draw up regulations about pillow cases and tooth brushes at our expense; is simply beyond the pale.

And they're not trusted, none of them. A lot of people up here voted out of a sense of '**** you' to all of the politicians. Better to have one lot of politicians than two. More manageable.

[Svensson]

Great. We now have a circus clown for a foreign secretary. The public humiliation shows no end...

[John G]

I don't think one can expect Nigel to carry on, now that after years of work he's achieved his main purpose, especially with the death threats.

As for the others, they are not and never were true Brexiters - if they were, they would not be members of a Vichy party.

I think it could be argued that Nigel Farage is a political extremist who, apparently, in agreement with his favourite economist, would be prepared to accept the elimination of British manufacturing industry as a price for leaving the EU. I wonder how many manufacturing industry workers and their families, in say the North and Midlands, who may have voted for Brexit and UKIP, are aware of this. See: http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06...w-neil-brexit/

[caz]

...rather than running away from it all.

Unfortunate choice of words there, Svensson.

I wonder what the glass-half-empty folk will do, and who they will run to, if and when their daily lives don't miraculously change for the better after all.

At least I can already see the silver lining. They'll always have their favourite national pastime to fall back on - moaning for England.

Love,

Caz
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