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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post

    There's prolly a 12 step program for that
    True but I’m not at the stage where I’d pay 100 for the McCormick book. If that day comes it’s time to get help.

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  • Joshua Rogan
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    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
    Has anyone seen any of the YouTube videos on the case? I haven’t yet.
    I'm just watching one now, which claims that the original grafitti writer was identified by police. He was apparently a crank who knew nothing, so Bella wasn't even the victim's name.
    No sources though.

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  • DJA
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    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
    The murder of Charles Walton has been ‘connected’ to the Bella case by some due to the witchcraft angle. I’ve just ordered a book that looks interesting but it’s only about the Walton case. It’s called The Case That Foiled Fabian.

    Theres one called Under The Shadow Of Meon Hill which connects the two cases which I might look at buying.

    Dont know if I’ll bother with the Sparke book. It sounds poor.

    Im still waiting for the Joyce Coley one to show up which I don’t have too many high hopes for.
    There's prolly a 12 step program for that

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  • DJA
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    Don't waste your time.

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Has anyone seen any of the YouTube videos on the case? I haven’t yet.

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    The murder of Charles Walton has been ‘connected’ to the Bella case by some due to the witchcraft angle. I’ve just ordered a book that looks interesting but it’s only about the Walton case. It’s called The Case That Foiled Fabian.

    Theres one called Under The Shadow Of Meon Hill which connects the two cases which I might look at buying.

    Dont know if I’ll bother with the Sparke book. It sounds poor.

    Im still waiting for the Joyce Coley one to show up which I don’t have too many high hopes for.

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post
    Bottle might have been thrown there by a passerby.

    Starting to suspect she was murdered in the vicinity,possibly Hasbury, stored for some time and then planted in the tree.

    Killers had knowledge of the old hollow pollarded tree or trees.A grave would have been noticed.

    Locals. Probably rapists.

    Incidentally, Dudley Market was only 10 to 15 Km away,depending on route taken.

    "Evidence" is a mess. Seems any clothing labels had been removed,yet the English made shoes remained.
    Certainly possible that’s where the bottle came from if it existed in the first place. No mention of what type of bottle it was or whether it was fingerprinted or not but that ties in with your comment about the evidence. Shoddy stuff.

    Agree that it was likely a local killer but I keep wondering if Bella was from elsewhere (possibly a gypsy?) With her distinctive teeth and being so small and yet no one identifies her. If the killing was among the gypsies it might explain why they didn’t want outside involvement.

    The case certainly attracted its fair share oddballs - Zita Boyden for one.

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  • DJA
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    Bottle might have been thrown there by a passerby.

    Starting to suspect she was murdered in the vicinity,possibly Hasbury, stored for some time and then planted in the tree.

    Killers had knowledge of the old hollow pollarded tree or trees.A grave would have been noticed.

    Locals. Probably rapists.

    Incidentally, Dudley Market was only 10 to 15 Km away,depending on route taken.

    "Evidence" is a mess. Seems any clothing labels had been removed,yet the English made shoes remained.
    Last edited by DJA; 10-27-2020, 09:26 PM.

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Maybe I’ve missed something (wouldn’t be the first time) but what happened to the green bottle that Bob Farmer said that he saw along with the skull? He also said that he saw a pair of shoes but there was only a single shoe (the second being found some yards away) Just an error of course.

    When he gave an interview in 1978 he amended this to only one shoe but again he mentions the green bottle. Did this bottle exist as I can recall no mention of it being checked in any way?

    Have I unintentionally skipped over an explanation for this missing bottle? Of course Farmer might simply have been mistaken but the author doesn’t mention this?

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  • Abby Normal
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    reading up on this case and learning more of the details-during WW 2, gypsies, spies, the graffiti, prostitutes, the four kids, witchcraft, the old estate and I have to say this would be a great premise for a scary period piece movie (my favorite genre). and the weird story of the suspect who died in a lunatic asylum!?! Im surprised no one has made this into a movie. it be pretty good methinks
    Last edited by Abby Normal; 10-27-2020, 02:55 PM.

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  • Observer
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    The area is steeped in the old traditions. In 1875, just 10 miles from Lower Quinton, in the village of Long Compton, Anne Tennant was murdered by James Hayward a farm laborer. Hayward believed Ann Tennant had bewitched him.

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  • Observer
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    Charles Walton was murdered at the foot of Meon Hill, which overlooks the village of Lower Quinton. Seems as if this chap is suggesting that Witchcraft was involved in those two murders.

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  • DJA
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    It is really bad pollarding of old trees which doesn't really serve much purpose fuel or wood wise.

    Might supply some fodder for the deer.

    Might be OK for basket weaving,etc.

    A hollow is fairly typical of the old trees.

    Seriously doubt any of the photos are of the correct tree.
    Last edited by DJA; 10-26-2020, 06:15 PM.

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Just received my volume two. This one is 250 pages or so compared to 119 for vol one.

    I skimmed through it before starting and I have to say that it’s an impressive effort especially for a 16 year old and his dad. Plenty of photographs, maps, newspaper cuttings, extracts from letters. I’d certainly recommend it to anyone who hasn’t already got it. I know Dave has the e-version but I don’t know if anyone else has got it?

    Ive got Unknown Secrets by Harris on order and I’m thinking of getting Under The Shadow Of Meon Hill by Newman, which has another murder plus Bella so I’m assuming he’s linking them?

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