Who put Bella in the Witch Elm?

[Abby Normal]

One witness did mention a smell from that area but it looks like she could be pinned down to a time?

the tree was on the hagley estate. it must have stunk for quite some time, and i find it hard to beleive that someone from the estate didnt notice. a groundskeeper, people who lived in the house etc, do we know who was living on the estate at the time?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Her corset would cost ~ 35 quid today.

Doubt she was murdered near the tree or was in it initially.

Would have stunk like Hell.

This lot agree,well it's their idea.

One witness did mention a smell from that area but it looks like she could be pinned down to a time?

[DJA]

i meant from america lol

Me two

Spitfire factory required experienced quality control,planes had to be tested and some were used to defend the place.

By memory there were 26 of them there.Think that might have been just for testing.

No,I don't have a list of nationalities

Just believe me on the prossy named Bella .... please......

Seriously doubt there was a Bella,just a crank who the cops investigated.

[Joshua Rogan]

and what came first? the missing prostitute story or the graffiti?

Not sure of the exact date when the grafitti started showing up...anyone? Only that it was about a year after the body was discovered. But the police report of a missing prostitute named Bella was dated 7 Apr 1944....about a year after the body was discovered. So the two may well be linked.
If the police did track down that Bella alive, I'm not sure how well publicised that would have been. Rumours are always harder to stop than to start.

[Abby Normal]

If air force pilots were needed at the Spitfire factory in Birmingham, I can understand their wives being a safe distance away.

Just an itch.

i meant from america lol

[Abby Normal]

Yes,she did.

Truth is lost evidence,poor investigation and record keeping,etc makes the case a mess.

Abnormal brain asking dyslexic fictional detective for advice

lol.
hey not trying to be a pain, but can you point to, post or give more specifics on the police records saying they found missing prostitiute Bella (MPB) alive?

evrything in the circs points to a local prostitute as the victim.

[DJA]

thanks Herlock-are there dates included for these?

There were 5 local women investigated.
4 with "Bella" type names.

That's excluding spies and witches.

[DJA]

american soldiers didnt normally bring there wives with them though did they?

If air force pilots were needed at the Spitfire factory in Birmingham, I can understand their wives being a safe distance away.

Just an itch.

[DJA]

yes. but i keep going back to if the missing prostitute named Bella actually did turn up? does anyone know if its actually in any of the police records that she was found alive?

Yes,she did.

Truth is lost evidence,poor investigation and record keeping,etc makes the case a mess.

Abnormal brain asking dyslexic fictional detective for advice

[Abby Normal]

If she was married to an American soldier,he prolly would have been in a tank division.
I knew an American Tank Division Commander.
Real short.

Still suspect a pilot. Just an itch I can't scratch.

She's away from the Birmingham Blitz.

Walking/cycling distance from Dudley.

american soldiers didnt normally bring there wives with them though did they?

[DJA]

I wonder if there were any American soldiers based nearby?

If she was married to an American soldier,he prolly would have been in a tank division.
I knew an American Tank Division Commander.
Real short.

Still suspect a pilot. Just an itch I can't scratch.

She's away from the Birmingham Blitz.

Walking/cycling distance from Dudley.

[Abby Normal]

I was just reading about the graffiti. The Forensic Science Lab (South Wales and Monmouthshire) felt that the first three were by the same hand and the chalk was more or less similar. The first three were:

HAGLEY WOOD BELLA (photo included)

WHO PUT BELLA DOWN THE WYCH ELM - HAGLEY WOOD

WHO PUT LUEBELLER IN THE WYCH ELM

Then theres the possibility of copycats of course. The next one in the book even mentions Jack The Ripper.

Then theres another photo of one:

HAGLEY WOOD LUBELLA ADDRESS OPPOSITE THE ROSE AND CROWN HASBURY

Then on a fence (with photo)

ADDRESS WAS OPPOSITE ROSE AND CROWN HASBURY HAGLEY WOOD LUBELLA

Then on a railway arch (photo)

HAGLEY WOOD LUBELLA WAS NO PROSS

On a wall

HAGLEY WOOD LUBELLA ADDRESS 404 LOWER HASBURY HALESOWEN

a family called Allsop had lived there for the last 56 years and no link could be found.

....

Ill be interested to see in volume 2 about the search for Lubella as opposed to just Bella. I’ve never heard the name before. Researchers on your marks. Could she have been born elsewhere but married a Midlands man?

A woman of 5ft or under, 25-40, mousy hair called Lubella (or variant spelling)

thanks Herlock-are there dates included for these?

and what came first? the missing prostitute story or the graffiti?

[Abby Normal]

Interesting that the shin bone was found 12 yards away. And that there were bones missing. Do you think that this might be put down to animals?

yes. but i keep going back to if the missing prostitute named Bella actually did turn up? does anyone know if its actually in any of the police records that she was found alive?

[DJA]

Her corset would cost ~ 35 quid today.

Doubt she was murdered near the tree or was in it initially.

Would have stunk like Hell.

This lot agree,well it's their idea.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Interesting that the shin bone was found 12 yards away. And that there were bones missing. Do you think that this might be put down to animals?