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  • Semper_Eadem
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    Originally posted by Pcdunn View Post
    Maybe. This sad case dates from 1957, and genealogical DNA identified the child.

    More than six decades after a boy was found dead in a box in Philadelphia, investigators have identified the child with the help of DNA, police announced Tuesday.


    Ah yes the boy in the box.

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  • Pcdunn
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    Maybe. This sad case dates from 1957, and genealogical DNA identified the child.

    More than six decades after a boy was found dead in a box in Philadelphia, investigators have identified the child with the help of DNA, police announced Tuesday.


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  • Abby Normal
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    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

    It’s an interesting one Tristan but one that’s unlikely to be solved imo.
    Im not so sure about that Herlock. With the latest DNA research perhaps if they IDed the victim, that would be afirst step in solving? provided of course there is any DNA left anywhere from the victim.

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  • Losmandris
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    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

    It’s an interesting one Tristan but one that’s unlikely to be solved imo.
    I would agree. Maybe some mysteries are best left unsolved?

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Originally posted by Losmandris View Post
    This happened just down the way from where I grew up. I never really heard much about it until recently. I suppose it was rather 'a little before my time' though. Quite the mystery from all accounts.
    It’s an interesting one Tristan but one that’s unlikely to be solved imo.

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  • Losmandris
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    This happened just down the way from where I grew up. I never really heard much about it until recently. I suppose it was rather 'a little before my time' though. Quite the mystery from all accounts.

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Originally posted by barnflatwyngarde View Post

    Here's an interesting article that suggests a possible link with the German spy Josef Jakobs

    https://josefjakobs.info/facts-of-bella-in-the-wych-elm

    Cheers Barn,

    The problem is that Clara had normal looking teeth.


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  • barnflatwyngarde
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    Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

    no. the simplest explanation is usually the right one.. an unfortunate prostitute killed by a "customer". however, whoever killed her must have known about that hollow tree. i would have looked very closely at everyone associated with that estate.
    Here's an interesting article that suggests a possible link with the German spy Josef Jakobs

    I am rethinking this page… there is a lot of information in the West Mercia Police files,which might best be shared as an actual book. I have some theories… A place to review the actual facts of the case in relation to the numerous theories.I ordered a copy of the police files from the Bella … Bella in the Wych Elm Read More

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  • Abby Normal
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    Originally posted by Pcdunn View Post

    The blurb refers to "the world's oldest profession and the world's oldest crime!" Can we conclude the crime is murder, and that the victim was a prostitute?

    So maybe not a German spy, exactly...
    no. the simplest explanation is usually the right one.. an unfortunate prostitute killed by a "customer". however, whoever killed her must have known about that hollow tree. i would have looked very closely at everyone associated with that estate.

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  • Abby Normal
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    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
    MJ Trow has a book out next year on the case.

    https://www.fantasticfiction.com/t/m...ood-murder.htm
    save your money

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Originally posted by Pcdunn View Post

    The blurb refers to "the world's oldest profession and the world's oldest crime!" Can we conclude the crime is murder, and that the victim was a prostitute?

    So maybe not a German spy, exactly...
    Yes, it’s quite a well known crime over here Pat. Some boys found a skull in a tree in 1943. Later the whole skeleton was found and it was reckoned that the body had been there for 18 months or so. The woman was never identified but what made the case live on so to speak was that in 1944 in the local town, Birmingham, a chalked graffiti on a wall appeared which said Who Put Bella Down The Witch Elm - Hagley Wood. Other similar messages also appeared and since the 1970’s a message of this kind has been chalked on the Hagley obelisk. Theories have been put forward but still no one knows who ‘Bella’ was, if that was actually her name.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_...e%2C%20England.

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  • Pcdunn
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    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
    MJ Trow has a book out next year on the case.

    https://www.fantasticfiction.com/t/m...ood-murder.htm
    The blurb refers to "the world's oldest profession and the world's oldest crime!" Can we conclude the crime is murder, and that the victim was a prostitute?

    So maybe not a German spy, exactly...

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  • Al Bundy's Eyes
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    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

    What you mean is…..you’ll wait til after I’ve bought it.

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Originally posted by Al Bundy's Eyes View Post

    In that case I'll hang on to my money for a bit. Who knows, it might be a decent read, but he's a Jack of all trades...
    What you mean is…..you’ll wait til after I’ve bought it.

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  • Al Bundy's Eyes
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    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

    Yeah, that’s the guy Al. He wrote a book on the Torso murders too. And Cleopatra and The Princes In The Tower and Vampires and Spartacus. I looked on his website and I make this his 107th book though that’s positively lazy compared to Barbara Cartland’s 723 (no, I haven’t read her books I had to Google that fact before you say it)
    In that case I'll hang on to my money for a bit. Who knows, it might be a decent read, but he's a Jack of all trades...

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