JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[FISHY1118]

When Trump told a friend "if they showed you what they showed me, you wouldn't release it either", it's not likely to be anything about LHO. That wouldn't need to be suppressed for 60 years. I think it has to be something that goes to the very top of the government and the oligarchs of the time.

I know who my money is on .

[FrankO]

It would be interesting/instructive to know what those that favour conspiracy believe happened as there are different possibilities. This is purely out of curiosity and isn’t an excuse for a bit of point scoring as you all know the position of those that favour the lone gunman.

So could I ask which you support?

a) Oswald firing from the TSBD plus a Grassy Knoll gunman.
b) Someone else firing from the TSBD (with Oswald not firing at all) and a Grassy Knoll gunman.
c) No one firing from the TSBD but a gunman firing from another location plus a Grassy Knoll gunman.
d) Someone firing from somewhere other than the TSBD or the Grassy Knoll.

I'd start with something smaller, Mike.

For those who believe Kennedy and Connally were hit by seperate bullets:

a) At what point (around which Zapruder frame) do you think Connally was hit?
b) What do you base this on?
c) Where was the shooter located?

It would be nice to see an overview of Dealey Plaza with the positions (a & b) indicated. And a close-up picture of JFK & Connally in the relative position to eachother when this happened. I'd be interested in knowing what people think about this. So far, I've only heard George's view on this, although I don't remember if he revealed the shooter's possible location.

Cheers,
Frank

[Herlock Sholmes]

MY post ''Are'' the Evidence . The Rifle , Autopsy Photos , Eye Witnesses , Tape Recordings etc. ..... ''FACTS'' . , Its all there in black and white with plenty more to come . I only deal in Evidence now, not pointless ,repeatative , discussion.

Ok, so your posts are superior to everyone else’s. We have established that.

The issue is what is actual evidence and also how different people interpret it. Two obvious examples are 1) you cut and pasted the paragraph about Wilcott the comment from you as if it was somehow proof of conspiracy. You made no attempt to look into how valid his evidence was. He was a low level pay operative who allegedly had ‘off duty or out of daytime hours’ conversations with people that he can’t even recall the names of. Those people allegedly told him what they had heard from other undisclosed, unnamed people. Surely you can understand how weak this is Fishy? Then we have to ask why he waited 10-12 before coming forward? Did anything change? Actually it did. He left the CIA and got involved in anti-government, left wing politics (which doesn’t make him a bad person of course but it might indicate someone looking for ways of damaging the government and it’s institutions. Wilcott’s ‘evidence’ is pretty weak stuff.

Then there was talk of bullets and fragments. Unlike the Wilcott ‘evidence’ Fiver mentions the testing done by Frazier which was confirmed by 4 independent tests. This is evidence of the strongest type. Can you imagine, under any circumstances, a jury ignoring 5 experts who all came to the same conclusion? And yet you never acknowledged this evidence because it doesn’t fit your long held preconception.

Evidence isn’t about simply posting a quote from someone who says something that you agree with.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Jaggars-Chiles-Stoval Cont.


This is a good example of the WC making things up.
as do the WC apologists. Here is DVP's statement on the problem:

"My view is that Oswald bought his money order BEFORE he went to work on March 12th.
And if the post office wasn't open before 8:00 AM (anybody know?),
I would surmise that LHO just showed up for work a little late on March 12th,
despite what the official JCS records show."

The gentleman makes a claim but inserts "anybody know?" He strikes me as a provocateur rather than an invesitagtor.
How often does DVP tell his readers that doubters have no evidence.
Here is the evidence but Dave doesn't' like it or understand it.
Oswald could not show up late. Oswald was very good with attendance as the testimony of John Graef before the WC states.
It's the apologist's turn to have an opinion without evidence

I notice that you haven’t answered those questions I posed Scott. Not to worry. It’s par-for-the-course on here. The absence of a solid explanation isn’t proof of anything. DVP could have been correct. Have you never heard of people doing jobs when they did something that the boss wasn’t aware of? How one employee might cover for another employee? These things happen.

And of course…Oswald’s handwriting was on it. Which would be considered as strong evidence in any court.

The problem is, as per the questions you chose to ignore, the idea of a conspiracy is preposterous, so there must be some explanation.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I’m now remembering why I didn’t want to get back into this stuff. It really is a waste of time. We will never achieve anything. I just looked at a section on the money order on DVP’s website. You would need a week to read through it. Too many people focusing on nitpicking details (on both sides) with one side never convincing the other.

The only valid discussion is about the wider points.

Would any high level conspiracy have thought “oh yeah, Oswald. He’s the best man for the job.” Of course they wouldn’t.

Was he the type of person who might end up doing something like kill the President, did he behave like an innocent man? Let’s have a quick look.

Difficult childhood, moved from school to school, placed under a psychiatrist, disappeared father, narcissistic mother who he’d attacked, brother and wife who he had attacked, moved from job to job. Regularly in trouble. Joined the Navy where he was regular in trouble (including shooting himself) but received rifle training and was a fairly decent/average marksman. Defected to the Soviet Union, returned but was trying to go back. Separated from his family. Attempted to assassinate Walker. Had to be restrained from going after Nixon with a gun. Changed his routine before the murder. Left his wedding ring and all the money that he had. Didn’t bother with a lunch pack. Took a large package to work which he remarkably claimed were curtain rods. Had a rifle at the Paine’s which was later gone. Entered the TSBD without waiting for Frazier. Rifle that shot Kennedy (and was traced to him) was found on the 6th floor where he was working. His clip board (not filled in was found there - no work done) His prints on the gun, the packaging and 2 cartons. Fibres on the rifle matched Oswald’s clothes. After being seen by Officer Baker and Roy Truly he flees the building, passes the bus stop that takes him to his rooming house to catch another bus which takes him nowhere near. He’s in so much of a rush to get away that he gets a transfer ticket for another bus. Still too slow so he goes and gets a taxi. He won’t engage in any attempt at conversation with the driver. He gets out a distance from the rooming house. The driver sees him walk away then turn around and walk back. He ignores Earlene Roberts, picks up a jacket and a pistol. He passes the scene of Officer Tippit’s murder and around 10 people mistake him for the real killer (who shot Tippit using the gun that Oswald had on him when he was arrested). Johnny Brewer sees him acting suspiciously. The police are called, Oswald pulls a gun but is subdued.

All of the above are apparently the actions of an innocent man. An innocent dupe of a conspiracy.

What an absolutely joke. For 6o years this crap has been foisted on the public. The idea of a conspiracy is in itself the greatest conspiracy ever. A deliberate, politically motivated movement.

[Lewis C]

When Trump told a friend "if they showed you what they showed me, you wouldn't release it either", it's not likely to be anything about LHO. That wouldn't need to be suppressed for 60 years. I think it has to be something that goes to the very top of the government and the oligarchs of the time.

I wouldn't draw any conclusions based on anything Trump said.

Chances are, it will be something along the lines of what Herlock said: high level government people, but covering up their failure to keep track of Oswald, not planing the murder. If there were documents that showed a government conspiracy to kill JFK, they would have been destroyed many years ago.