JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[Herlock Sholmes]

Plus the ballistics evidence.

No Conspiracy that had framed Oswald for killing the President would have any reason to also frame him for killing a police.

Exactly Fiver. What would have been the point of adding even more complication and risk to what was already the most convoluted, ill-conceived plot ever?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Technically he's accusing more than four ballistics experts. Newquist testified about the bullets and bullet fragments, but he was part of the HSC Firearms panel.

In April 1977, the select committee sought recommendations for membership for the panel from the Association of Firearm and Tool Mark Exa. miners, the Forensic Science Foundation and the American Academy of Forensic Sciences. Candidates were to be leading firearms experts who had had no prior affiliation with either the King or the Kennedy assassination cases.

A list of 27 experts was proposed. Five were eliminated initially: three were current or past employees of the FBI; one had authored material on the firearms evidence; and one was unable to undertake the project. The remaining 22 prospects were asked to submit resumes, with information on past affiliations with the case and opinions about the assassination or the firearms evidence. Eighteen responded, 10 of whom did not want to be considered or did not meet the committee's criteria.

The following five experts were chosen to serve on the panel:

John S. Bates, Jr.--Senior firearms examiner in the New York State Police Laboratory at Albany. He has been a lecturer at the New York State Police Academy, New York State Municipal Police Training Council, and various community colleges. Bates is a member of the Association of Firearm and Tool Mark Examiners, serving as secretary since 1973. In that year, he received the association's Distinguished Member Award. He has written numerous professional articles.

Donald E. Champagne.--Firearm and tool mark examiner with the Florida Department of Criminal Law Enforcement in Tallahassee for the past 10 years. He served in the crime detection laboratory of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in Ottawa, Ontario, for 15 years, and he has lectured extensively at the Canadian Police College and other law enforcement agencies. Champagne is president and a distinguished member of the Association of Firearm and Tool Mark Examiners. He is a member of the Southern Association of Forensic Scientists and the Canadian Society of Forensic Science.

Monty C. Lutz.--Firearm and tool mark analyst with the Wisconsin Regional Crime Laboratory in New Berlin. He has been the chief firearm and tool mark examiner for the U.S. Army. Lutz is a past president of the Association of Firearm and Tool Makers Examiners. He has been named a disthinguished member of the *The same panel members wore also to examine the firearms evidence in the King assassination case. association. He has lectured at colleges and law enforcement schools across the country and is the author of numerous professional publications. He received a B.S. in criminal justice from the University of Nebraska.

Andrew M. Newquist.--Special agent and firearm, tool mark and latent fingerprint examiner for the Iowa Bureau of Criminal Investigation. Newquist is a distinguished member and past president of the Association of Firearm and Tool Mark Examiners and currently serves on its executive committee. He is a member of the International Association for Identification and a lecturer at the Iowa Department of Public Safety.

The panel conducted its examination at the facilities of the Metropolitan Police Department firearm identification section, Washington, D.C Assigned as liaison to the panel and working closely with it as technical assistant was George R. Wilson, senior firearms examiner, Metropolitan Police Department, Washington, D.C., a position he has held for 9 years. The laboratory, which he established, was the first in the department's history. Wilson is second vice president of the Association of Firearm and Tool Mark Examiners. In 1974, he received the association's Distinguished Member Award. During his 25-year tenure with the metropolitan Police Department, he has been awarded over 30 commendations for outstanding and meritorious performance of duty.

All mistaken or liars apparently Fiver. Probably ‘in on it.’

[Herlock Sholmes]

And then Craig corroborates as well.... who was then ostracized for that and a number of other things.

Roger Craig. Yet another crackpot. I’ll say it again…how many conspiracy theory witnesses turn out to be proven liars or loonies? There’s an army of these deadbeats.

https://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/search?q=Roger+Craig

[Fiver]

In 1996 former Deputy Counsel for the House Select Committee on Assassinations Robert Tanenbaum testified at the ARRB hearing in Los Angeles by saying, "the Attorney General of Texas, Henry Wade the District Attorney and Leon Jaworsky counsel to the Attorney General, on the transcript spoke to the Chief Justice and said in substance, as I recall, that they had information from unimpeachable sources that Lee Harvey Oswald was a contract employee of the CIA and the FBI."

Robert Tannenbaum does appear to have said that. We have no idea what the alleged sources were, so we can't evaluate how "unimpeachable" they were. Also note the words "in substance, as I recall". Tannenbaum was recalling events from 3 decades previously, and we have no idea how accurate his recollection was.

If the Attorney General of Texas and the Dallas District attorney were able to find multiple "unimpeachable sources that Lee Harvey Oswald was a contract employee of the CIA and the FBI" , then why hasn't anyone else been able to find all these sources?

And why are we to take Tannenbaum's word when he made false claims in his testimony?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Here is a pro-Conspiracy person debunking the Malcom Wallace Conspiracy theory.

* It has Wallace and Oswald adjusting their rifle scopes on the TSBD 6th floor near a table saw. There was no table saw on the 6th floor.
* It has Wallace, Oswald, and Loy Factor all firing one shot simultaneously at JFK. Every witness account and the photographic evidence contradict this.

And those are only some of the problems.

Mac Wallace

[Fiver]

The ''Rifle'' in the video footage being removed from the Tsbd was a 7.65mm Mauser . Not the rifle shown in the catalog pics of the Italian Carcano .

So you're claiming a Conspiracy that was able to plant fake ID's in Oswwald's wallet, forge purchase records, bank records, photographic evidence, witness testimony and ballistics evidence was too stupid to plant the correct rifle? And that they compounded the stupidity by letting multiple newsmen take still and motion pictures of the wrong rifle?

Who's running this Conspiracy - Moe, Larry and Curly?

[Fiver]

Let's chat about "Mac" Wallace, one of the men who has been credibly linked to the JFK assassination on November 22, 1963. In addition to known information a...

So you now believe Oswald was part of a team of assassins? And that there were no shooters on the Grassy Knoll?

Because that's what the source saying Wallace was one of the assassins claims.

[Fiver]

For anyone who smelled gun powder in Dealey Plaza, there is absolutely NO WAY that it came from the 6th floor window of the TSBD. The most likely location? The grassy knoll, where most JFK researchers believe the head kill shot to JFK came from.

And now you don't believe the Mac Wallace story any more, which said that all shots came from the Book Depository?

[cobalt]

Exactly Fiver. What would have been the point of adding even more complication and risk to what was already the most convoluted, ill-conceived plot ever?

If there was a plot, which many believe, then its success can be judged by the many others who refuse to believe it even existed.

Taking into account the warning of us becoming entrenched too deeply in our positions I would like to open up an earlier point made about JD Tippit and his familiarity with the Oak Cliff district. As a patrol officer Tippit would obviously not be rigidly confined to one area in the course of his duties. And as a part time security guard his face would have been fairly well known to a number of Dallas citizens in addition to his being a serving officer for around a dozen years.

However a surprising number of people seem to have seen him regularly in the Oak Cliff district although it was a good few miles from his regular beat. Taxi driver Scroggins said he often saw Tippit driving around but that might not mean much since a taxi driver is bound to cover a fair few miles in the course of his work. Acquila Clemmons also said she had seen Tippit around the area although she was quite far from the shooting and could not have identified him at the time of his killing. The Top Ten record shop was certainly outside his beat but it was reported that on occasion Tippit came in to use the telephone. Workers at the GLOCO station also seem to have known Tippit although it is not clear if they did so socially or, as seems more likely, through their work. A couple who were passing by the GLOCO by on the day (I'm guessing they were local) knew him well enough to wave to him in his patrol car. And the manageress of Dobbs Eating House said that Tippit was a fairly regular customer around breakfast time which seems odd since there must have been plenty of cafes in his own district.

The CT position is fairly well established: that Tippit was already in Oak Cliff for a reason- he was seen at the GLOCO station at 12.40- and the radio instruction for him to go to Oak Cliff, timed at 12.45, was part of a later cover up. I'm never comfortable with the notion of false evidence being introduced into a conspiracy after the fact since it complicates the truth and has the potential to be more damning than silence. So I remain an agnostic on that particular element. But Tippit does, on the surface at least, seem to have been out of his assigned beat more than would be expected.

[Herlock Sholmes]

It would be interesting/instructive to know what those that favour conspiracy believe happened as there are different possibilities. This is purely out of curiosity and isn’t an excuse for a bit of point scoring as you all know the position of those that favour the lone gunman.

So could I ask which you support?

a) Oswald firing from the TSBD plus a Grassy Knoll gunman.
b) Someone else firing from the TSBD (with Oswald not firing at all) and a Grassy Knoll gunman.
c) No one firing from the TSBD but a gunman firing from another location plus a Grassy Knoll gunman.
d) Someone firing from somewhere other than the TSBD or the Grassy Knoll.

[Fiver]

It would be interesting/instructive to know what those that favour conspiracy believe happened as there are different possibilities. This is purely out of curiosity and isn’t an excuse for a bit of point scoring as you all know the position of those that favour the lone gunman.

So could I ask which you support?

a) Oswald firing from the TSBD plus a Grassy Knoll gunman.
b) Someone else firing from the TSBD (with Oswald not firing at all) and a Grassy Knoll gunman.
c) No one firing from the TSBD but a gunman firing from another location plus a Grassy Knoll gunman.
d) Someone firing from somewhere other than the TSBD or the Grassy Knoll.

That's only scratching the surface on Conspiracist positions.
e) Oswald and two other men firing from the TSBD. (The Mac Wallace version)
f) Oswald firing from the TSBD and another gunman from the Underpass. (The Sherry Fiester version.)
g) Shooters in the TSBD, Daltex Building, and the Grassy Knoll, none of them Oswald. (The Oliver Stone version.)
h) Shooters in the TSBD, Daltex Building, the Grassy Knoll, behind the Stone Wall, and from the Storm Drain all of them homosexuals. (The Jim Garrison version.)
i) JFK was accidentally shot by Agent Hickey in the followup car. (The Bonar Menninger version.)
j} JFK was deliberately shot by his own limo driver. (The William Cooper version.)
k) JFK was deliberately shot by his own wife.
l) JFK was killed by JD Tippit.
m) JFK was killed by a poisoned dark fired by the Umbrella Man.
n) Oswald killed JFK, but there was second, unrelated gunman on the Grassy Knoll. (The Norman Mailer version.)
o) A 28 man (including Oswald) assassination team. (The Stephanie Caruana version.)

[Herlock Sholmes]

That's only scratching the surface on Conspiracist positions.
e) Oswald and two other men firing from the TSBD. (The Mac Wallace version)
f) Oswald firing from the TSBD and another gunman from the Underpass. (The Sherry Fiester version.)
g) Shooters in the TSBD, Daltex Building, and the Grassy Knoll, none of them Oswald. (The Oliver Stone version.)
h) Shooters in the TSBD, Daltex Building, the Grassy Knoll, behind the Stone Wall, and from the Storm Drain all of them homosexuals. (The Jim Garrison version.)
i) JFK was accidentally shot by Agent Hickey in the followup car. (The Bonar Menninger version.)
j} JFK was deliberately shot by his own limo driver. (The William Cooper version.)
k) JFK was deliberately shot by his own wife.
l) JFK was killed by JD Tippit.
m) JFK was killed by a poisoned dark fired by the Umbrella Man.
n) Oswald killed JFK, but there was second, unrelated gunman on the Grassy Knoll. (The Norman Mailer version.)
o) A 28 man (including Oswald) assassination team. (The Stephanie Caruana version.)

I was hoping for a simplification Fiver. I like ‘o’ myself. Although I’d add a few more shooters just to be sure. Actually, if I was planning it I’d have had ‘man standing near to the underpass with a bazooka.’

[Fiver]

So far Fisherman has endorsed.

b) Someone else firing from the TSBD (with Oswald not firing at all) and a Grassy Knoll gunman.

e) Oswald and two other men firing from the TSBD. (The Mac Wallace version)

g) Shooters in the TSBD, Daltex Building, and the Grassy Knoll, none of them Oswald. (The Oliver Stone version.)

[Fiver]

I was hoping for a simplification Fiver. I like ‘o’ myself. Although I’d add a few more shooters just to be sure. Actually, if I was planning it I’d have had ‘man standing near to the underpass with a bazooka.’

To do it properly, you'd need a poll with a series of questions.

How many shooters - 2, 3, 4, 5, more

Was Oswald part of the Conspiracy - Y/N

Where were the shots fired from - TSBD, Grassy Knoll, Daltex, Stone Wall, Storm Drain, Umbrella, South Knoll, Underpass, Follow-up car, Presidential limo, Other.

[scottnapa]

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Roger Craig. Yet another crackpot. I’ll say it again…how many conspiracy theory witnesses turn out to be proven liars or loonies? There’s an army of these deadbeats.

https://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/search?q=Roger+Craig

DVP is a bit of a teenager in his writing style, smartass, glib, mocking.
There were other DPD officers who saw a Mauser.