JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[Herlock Sholmes]

DVP is a bit of a teenager in his writing style, smartass, glib, mocking.
There were other DPD officers who saw a Mauser.

But look at the people he’s up against.

[Herlock Sholmes]

My prediction on the files to be released is that they will show how the CIA and the FBI had ‘knowledge’ of Oswald. His visit to Mexico, his ‘connection’ to Cuba, that the FBI were watching him as a returned defector. That kind of stuff. I think that any ‘secrecy/cover up’ was to do with those two agencies (and possibly the SS) covering their own arses against questions like “you knew about this guy so how did you manage to allow him to assassinate the President?” I think that these agencies were keen to hide the ****-up that they would have been aware of his workplace yet they messed up in that they didn’t connect it to the motorcade route. That kind of stuff. When someone like the President is visiting the security services are supposed to receive a list of potential locals who might be a threat for various reasons.

[FISHY1118]

Isn't there anything that you look at with a critical eye Fishy? You read something - you like it - so it must be true. You believe anything but stuff with actually evidence.

MY post ''Are'' the Evidence . The Rifle , Autopsy Photos , Eye Witnesses , Tape Recordings etc. ..... ''FACTS'' . , Its all there in black and white with plenty more to come . I only deal in Evidence now, not pointless ,repeatative , discussion.

[FISHY1118]

If there was a plot, which many believe, then its success can be judged by the many others who refuse to believe it even existed.

Taking into account the warning of us becoming entrenched too deeply in our positions I would like to open up an earlier point made about JD Tippit and his familiarity with the Oak Cliff district. As a patrol officer Tippit would obviously not be rigidly confined to one area in the course of his duties. And as a part time security guard his face would have been fairly well known to a number of Dallas citizens in addition to his being a serving officer for around a dozen years.

However a surprising number of people seem to have seen him regularly in the Oak Cliff district although it was a good few miles from his regular beat. Taxi driver Scroggins said he often saw Tippit driving around but that might not mean much since a taxi driver is bound to cover a fair few miles in the course of his work. Acquila Clemmons also said she had seen Tippit around the area although she was quite far from the shooting and could not have identified him at the time of his killing. The Top Ten record shop was certainly outside his beat but it was reported that on occasion Tippit came in to use the telephone. Workers at the GLOCO station also seem to have known Tippit although it is not clear if they did so socially or, as seems more likely, through their work. A couple who were passing by the GLOCO by on the day (I'm guessing they were local) knew him well enough to wave to him in his patrol car. And the manageress of Dobbs Eating House said that Tippit was a fairly regular customer around breakfast time which seems odd since there must have been plenty of cafes in his own district.

The CT position is fairly well established: that Tippit was already in Oak Cliff for a reason- he was seen at the GLOCO station at 12.40- and the radio instruction for him to go to Oak Cliff, timed at 12.45, was part of a later cover up. I'm never comfortable with the notion of false evidence being introduced into a conspiracy after the fact since it complicates the truth and has the potential to be more damning than silence. So I remain an agnostic on that particular element. But Tippit does, on the surface at least, seem to have been out of his assigned beat more than would be expected.

''Acquila Clemmons also said she had seen Tippit around the area although she was quite far from the shooting and could not have identified him at the time of his killing''



Hi Cobalt , its important to recognise ''Acquila Clemmons'' as a very important witness where Tippets murder is concerned . She identified a man that didnt look anything like Osawald .

This 3 min Video shows what she saw . But, as always the W.C apoligist have her lying ....... again.

1. Why wasnt there testimony entered as evidence ?.

2 . More evidence the ''mock trial'' was a farce.? Much like the W.C.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6xHGwUHZAA&ab_channel=HelmerReenberg

[scottnapa]

According to the Warren Commission report, Lee Harvey Oswald left his job at Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall during the morning of March 12, 1963, walked 11 blocks to the downtown post office, purchased a postal money order, and then mailed his order for the rifle to Klein's Sporting Goods in Chicago before returning to work.

the letter was postmarked 10:30 am, However, the time records show that Oswald never left his job. He worked on 9 different printing projects from 8:00 am through 11:45 a.m.. then took a half-hour lunch.

Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall work was client based so hours worked on any given project had to be noted for bookkeeping .
The manager sees Oswald work and finish projects and marks it sheet accordingly. Oswald was NOT at the post office on this day

[FISHY1118]

According to the Warren Commission report, Lee Harvey Oswald left his job at Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall during the morning of March 12, 1963, walked 11 blocks to the downtown post office, purchased a postal money order, and then mailed his order for the rifle to Klein's Sporting Goods in Chicago before returning to work.

the letter was postmarked 10:30 am, However, the time records show that Oswald never left his job. He worked on 9 different printing projects from 8:00 am through 11:45 a.m.. then took a half-hour lunch.

Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall work was client based so hours worked on any given project had to be noted for bookkeeping .
The manager sees Oswald work and finish projects and marks it sheet accordingly. Oswald was NOT at the post office on this day

Great find Scott.

What will they say to this "actual evidence" i wonder?

More evidence of the Warren Commission conspiracy.

[scottnapa]

Jaggars-Chiles-Stoval Cont.


This is a good example of the WC making things up.
as do the WC apologists. Here is DVP's statement on the problem:

"My view is that Oswald bought his money order BEFORE he went to work on March 12th.
And if the post office wasn't open before 8:00 AM (anybody know?),
I would surmise that LHO just showed up for work a little late on March 12th,
despite what the official JCS records show."

The gentleman makes a claim but inserts "anybody know?" He strikes me as a provocateur rather than an invesitagtor.
How often does DVP tell his readers that doubters have no evidence.
Here is the evidence but Dave doesn't' like it or understand it.
Oswald could not show up late. Oswald was very good with attendance as the testimony of John Graef before the WC states.
It's the apologist's turn to have an opinion without evidence

[FISHY1118]

Wow what do you know, more ACTUAL EVIDENCE . Add Sheriff Bill Decker to the list of people who said that there was a large hole in the back of JFK's head:

Journalist Charles Murphy, who worked for NBC in Dallas:

QUOTE

So when they switched to me I sourced it using what Jimmy Kerr told me. Later Jimmy, the off-the-air reporter, told me that I was standing outside the emergency room at Parkland when Sheriff Bill Decker came out. And he asked Decker, “Have you been in there and seen the president?” Decker pointed to the back of his head and said, “Have you ever seen a deer with the back of it’s head blown off?” And Jimmy said, That was good enough for me.” At the same time, police dispatch was radioing all units that the president was dead.”

UNQUOTE


Welcome to the New list of Truth, Correct, Sane, Actually existed at the time ....... Sheriff Bill Decker ,History thanks you for your honesty.

[GBinOz]

Great find Scott.

What will they say to this "actual evidence" i wonder?

More evidence of the Warren Commission conspiracy.

But wait, there's more - the money order wasn't cashed by Kleins.

https://harveyandlee.net/MoneyOrder.html

[GBinOz]

When Trump told a friend "if they showed you what they showed me, you wouldn't release it either", it's not likely to be anything about LHO. That wouldn't need to be suppressed for 60 years. I think it has to be something that goes to the very top of the government and the oligarchs of the time.

[FISHY1118]

But wait, there's more - the money order wasn't cashed by Kleins.

https://harveyandlee.net/MoneyOrder.html

Gee ,this ''Actual Evidence' caper is tiresome work , but Very Effective.

[FISHY1118]

When Trump told a friend "if they showed you what they showed me, you wouldn't release it either", it's not likely to be anything about LHO. That wouldn't need to be suppressed for 60 years. I think it has to be something that goes to the very top of the government and the oligarchs of the time.

I know who my money is on .

[FrankO]

It would be interesting/instructive to know what those that favour conspiracy believe happened as there are different possibilities. This is purely out of curiosity and isn’t an excuse for a bit of point scoring as you all know the position of those that favour the lone gunman.

So could I ask which you support?

a) Oswald firing from the TSBD plus a Grassy Knoll gunman.
b) Someone else firing from the TSBD (with Oswald not firing at all) and a Grassy Knoll gunman.
c) No one firing from the TSBD but a gunman firing from another location plus a Grassy Knoll gunman.
d) Someone firing from somewhere other than the TSBD or the Grassy Knoll.

I'd start with something smaller, Mike.

For those who believe Kennedy and Connally were hit by seperate bullets:

a) At what point (around which Zapruder frame) do you think Connally was hit?
b) What do you base this on?
c) Where was the shooter located?

It would be nice to see an overview of Dealey Plaza with the positions (a & b) indicated. And a close-up picture of JFK & Connally in the relative position to eachother when this happened. I'd be interested in knowing what people think about this. So far, I've only heard George's view on this, although I don't remember if he revealed the shooter's possible location.

Cheers,
Frank

[Herlock Sholmes]

MY post ''Are'' the Evidence . The Rifle , Autopsy Photos , Eye Witnesses , Tape Recordings etc. ..... ''FACTS'' . , Its all there in black and white with plenty more to come . I only deal in Evidence now, not pointless ,repeatative , discussion.

Ok, so your posts are superior to everyone else’s. We have established that.

The issue is what is actual evidence and also how different people interpret it. Two obvious examples are 1) you cut and pasted the paragraph about Wilcott the comment from you as if it was somehow proof of conspiracy. You made no attempt to look into how valid his evidence was. He was a low level pay operative who allegedly had ‘off duty or out of daytime hours’ conversations with people that he can’t even recall the names of. Those people allegedly told him what they had heard from other undisclosed, unnamed people. Surely you can understand how weak this is Fishy? Then we have to ask why he waited 10-12 before coming forward? Did anything change? Actually it did. He left the CIA and got involved in anti-government, left wing politics (which doesn’t make him a bad person of course but it might indicate someone looking for ways of damaging the government and it’s institutions. Wilcott’s ‘evidence’ is pretty weak stuff.

Then there was talk of bullets and fragments. Unlike the Wilcott ‘evidence’ Fiver mentions the testing done by Frazier which was confirmed by 4 independent tests. This is evidence of the strongest type. Can you imagine, under any circumstances, a jury ignoring 5 experts who all came to the same conclusion? And yet you never acknowledged this evidence because it doesn’t fit your long held preconception.

Evidence isn’t about simply posting a quote from someone who says something that you agree with.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Jaggars-Chiles-Stoval Cont.


This is a good example of the WC making things up.
as do the WC apologists. Here is DVP's statement on the problem:

"My view is that Oswald bought his money order BEFORE he went to work on March 12th.
And if the post office wasn't open before 8:00 AM (anybody know?),
I would surmise that LHO just showed up for work a little late on March 12th,
despite what the official JCS records show."

The gentleman makes a claim but inserts "anybody know?" He strikes me as a provocateur rather than an invesitagtor.
How often does DVP tell his readers that doubters have no evidence.
Here is the evidence but Dave doesn't' like it or understand it.
Oswald could not show up late. Oswald was very good with attendance as the testimony of John Graef before the WC states.
It's the apologist's turn to have an opinion without evidence

I notice that you haven’t answered those questions I posed Scott. Not to worry. It’s par-for-the-course on here. The absence of a solid explanation isn’t proof of anything. DVP could have been correct. Have you never heard of people doing jobs when they did something that the boss wasn’t aware of? How one employee might cover for another employee? These things happen.

And of course…Oswald’s handwriting was on it. Which would be considered as strong evidence in any court.

The problem is, as per the questions you chose to ignore, the idea of a conspiracy is preposterous, so there must be some explanation.