JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[Lewis C]

In the grocery list of people that Garrison claimed were part of the Conspiracy, including NASA and Robert Kennedy, pro-Castro Cubans and Russians are notably absent.

Yes, and I believe that he also refused to consider that the Mafia might be involved.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Yes, and I believe that he also refused to consider that the Mafia might be involved.

Or dwarves.

[cobalt]

None of Bonnie Ray Williams, Junior Jarman or Hank Norman can credibly have had anything to do with the murder of JFK. That is the consensus across the JFK broad band of opinion I am sure. But their testimony is interesting.

When I say 'testimony' we have to decide what exactly that means. All three men were questioned by DP on the day, or the day following the assassination and made signed statements. Some, or perhaps all, were subsequently questioned by FBI agents in the days following and made more detailed statements. Thereafter followed pre-cognitions by the Warren Commission (part of that involved the men adopting their positions on camera at the time of the assassination) and of course their WC oral testimony. There are no discrepancies in these accounts which amount to anything suspicious in my opinion, at least not on their part. They were three potentially vulnerable men whom fate had placed uncomfortably close to a seismic political event.

When Bonnie Ray Williams made his initial statement (to the DP) on the afternoon of the assassination he did not mention ever having been on the 6th floor after 12 noon. However his statement taken on the afternoon of 22nd November does mention seeing Lee Harvey Oswald in custody which may have flavoured if not his initial statement- which is quite bald- his later ones. By the time Williams reached the WC he was a more than helpful witness. He recalled Oswald being a dour, uncommunicative fellow worker which was helpful to the embittered lone gunman theory. He recalled Oswald laughing derisively in the domino room after reading a political article, which helped support the idea of Oswald being a malcontent. Since Williams only admitted to reading sports pages (which he noted Oswald, as an oddball presumably, did not) it is not clear why Williams would have known what article Oswald was reading in the newspaper. Williams also recalled Oswald had a habit of messing around near cartons (which contained books) to indicate Oswald was a slovenly worker, albeit nobody else at the TSBD ever noted this characteristic. He also, very helpfully, recalled Oswald being posted missing during a roll call following the assassination.

Williams was in a very unenviable position. He had to acknowledge he was on the 6th floor of the TSBD, the sight of a political assassination. He had left a cola bottle and some chicken bones to that effect, suspiciously close to the sniper's nest. To the FBI agents he claimed he had left the 6th floor at around 12.05, evidence presented to him at the Warren Commission. Williams now claimed he had no memory of giving this timing to the FBI. Why?

The problem was that his alibi now largely rested on the two fellow workers who watched the motorcade with him, and their timings were distinctly unhelpful. Jarman and Norman stated that they left the street outside to gain a better viewing position and were LATER joined by Williams on the 5th floor. Williams himself corroborated this sequence of events. But according to Jarman at the WC, he and Norman caught the lift to the 5th floor between 12.25 and 12.28. Which, even allowing for a slightly earlier time, meant that Williams must have been munching his lunch very close in both time and place to an assassin possibly assembling a rifle and definitely preparing to shoot the POTUS. Yet he saw and heard nothing.

The racist tinge to the WC questioning is unmistakable from our vantage point in 2025. The three black employees are asked if they have ever been in trouble with the law but I have not come across that question being directed at white employees. Of course the questioners, who included future President Ford, would have known that a negative reply was forthcoming otherwise they would not have posed the question to helpful witnesses in the first place. Conspiracy theorists may see an implicit threat lying below the question.

[Herlock Sholmes]

That we can’t assume that Frazer and his sister imagined or lied about the package is proven by the fact that Oswald himself never denied it. In fact the opposite was the case. He accepted that he had been carrying the long package to work but he came up with the curtain rods excuse. Is there anyone alive that believes that the curtain rods ever existed? Surely not. Therefore Oswald carried a long package to work which could have been nothing else but the rifle. As far as I’m concerned this is proven beyond any doubt.

Ok, so we know that he took his rifle to work but this act, in itself, doesn’t prove that he fired it of course (other evidence does that job convincingly). So is it believable that he took it and placed it on the 6th floor for someone else to fire it? No one should be surprised when I say that I find this totally unbelievable but let’s go with it for the sake of covering all angles. Let’s say that someone said “Look Lee, I’m going to assassinate the President but I don’t have a rifle. Can I borrow yours?” To which the obliging Oswald says “no problem.” Even if we assume that as a precaution he sensibly wiped any of his prints off (not expecting any to be ‘planted’ later on - why would he?) he would still have had to have forgotten that he’d ordered the gun, under the name Hidell, which was the name on the library card found in his wallet. Could Oswald have handed over his gun without realising his blunder? That he was solidly linked to the rifle? Again I have to say that it would be at the extreme end of unlikeliness. So it can’t be remotely likely that he would have given his gun to someone. Trying to cover all ‘angles’ I’ll ask - could he have taken it to work believing that he was going to sell it to someone? No, because instead of lying to the police about not owning a gun he could have just told them why he’d brought his gun to work. So we have to drop that suggestion too. So what’s left? Can anyone suggest anything? I can’t.

Ok, so let’s forget for a second all of the above and assume that we have an unknown Mr X on the 6th floor with Oswald’s rifle. How he got there - we don’t know. How he could have avoided suspicion or remained unseen - we don’t know. Why would he build a sniper’s nest? The nest could only have been built so that the shooter could get off his shots unseen by anyone else who might have been on the 6th floor. So more questions - how could a stranger have been on that floor if there were workers there to notice a stranger in the first place? And if the nest had just allowed him to get off his shots before anyone might have attempted to stop him then yes, Kennedy would still have been dead, but the plan to frame Oswald’s would have been over and the police would then have had the mystery of tracing the gun to Oswald’s box - why did Mr X get his gun from a defector who worked in that building? To frame Oswald the ‘real’ killer would have had to have gotten away unseen and anonymously . And if Oswald wasn’t on the 6th floor then he would have known none of what had occurred on the 6th floor so he wouldn’t have still fled the scene, picked up his gun etc and killed Tippit. The small question of why no strangers were seen is also one that has gone unanswered over the years. None of this makes sense.

The snipers nest was important to Oswald for the same reason. He could have still got the shots off even if some of his co-workers had shown up. There is a difference though. Oswald’s wedding ring and the $175. He clearly expected not to return.

Again - guiltier than OJ.

[scottnapa]

Again, when you can't refute me, you attempt an insult.
The CIA was taking pictures of everyone going into and out of the Soviet Embassy. The picture is not Oswald.
Which is more credible:
* Some bureaucrat sent the wrong photo.
* A Conspiracy of hundreds that was able to provide an Oswald look-alike for the JFK and Tippit shootings didn't send him to Mexico.

I am not attempting to insult you.
I asked you a question.
Which is more credible:
The CIA made a mistake
Fiver makes a mistake
I'm gonna assume that you made the mistake since you were not in the room when decisions were made. The CIA knows more about Oswald amd Mexico City than you or I. Fiver, you are guessing when you say the WC got the picture is a human error.
The CIA was taking pictures of everyone going into and out of the Soviet embassy. I have never seen a picture of Oswald at the Embassy. The Cuban Embassy has a picture of a blonde "Oswald" That suggests to some that Oswald was never there. The CIA knows why they sent this photo. They cropped it. They sent it.
When did the CIA realized this was not Oswald?
Why didn't the Warren Commission ask for another photo of Oswald outside the Embassy? Where is the picture that is not a mistake?

Espionage is a conspiracy.

You keep dismissing facts because you imply a vast conspiracy is necessary. .Politicians conspire and lie. Look at the current shaved monkey in the White House. Espionage is a conspiracy. Consider the CIA Operation Northwoods was a proposed false flag operation that originated within the US Department of Defense of the United States government in 1962. you make read about it on Wikipedia. Spy organizations have thousands of disconnected operations.

[Fiver]

thanks fiver
so which shot was it according to the wc/ official account?

The WC decided there wasn't enough evidence to determine whether Tague was hit because of the missed shot ricocheting or because of a fragment from the head shot. In either case, the curb was struck by a bullet or bullet fragment and Tague was struck by a chipped bit of concrete.

[C. F. Leon]

Or dwarves.

So Herlock, you're saying that either the Time Bandits or Dr. Loveless are involved?

Hey, beats some of the OTHER looney conspiracies that I've heard- including one that Aristotle Onassis was the mastermind. Or one that Jackie was the intended target but someone bumped the shooter's gun. (Or was that the Time Traveler "Theory"??)

[Fiver]

So Herlock, you're saying that either the Time Bandits or Dr. Loveless are involved?

Hey, beats some of the OTHER looney conspiracies that I've heard- including one that Aristotle Onassis was the mastermind. Or one that Jackie was the intended target but someone bumped the shooter's gun. (Or was that the Time Traveler "Theory"??)

Then there's the theory that Jackie Kennedy fired the fatal headshot. That makes even the theory that JFK's limo driver turned around and fired the fatal headshot look sane.