JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[scottnapa]

How is A. Hidell is being listed as a receiver of for that PO Box an issue?

The rifle was mailed to A, Hidell. not to Lee Oswald. A. Hidell was not listed to receive mail at that P O Box.

[Herlock Sholmes]

WESLEY LIEBELER -- "Now, supposing that Oswald had not, in fact, authorized A. J. Hidell to receive mail here in the Dallas box and that a package came addressed to the name of Hidell, which, in fact, one did at Post Office Box 2915; what procedure would be followed when that package came in?"

HARRY D. HOLMES -- "They would put the notice in the box."

MR. LIEBELER -- "Regardless of whose name was associated with the box?"

MR. HOLMES -- "That is the general practice.

[cobalt]

Lee Harvey Oswald is loathed by the Warren Commission advocates. It is very clear and unapologetic on this site and others. Why is this the case?

Well, he did (allegedly) kill the POTUS and that can be viewed as an attack on the people of the USA. But in reality an attack on the ruling elite is never any danger to the ordinary citizen as the film 'Suddenly' starring Frank Sinatra from 1954 made clear: 'The President is killed? Here's the laugh: they can replace him in 30 minutes.' Which is pretty much what happened in Dallas in 1963. Millionaire Biden is replaced by millionaire Trump as of today.

So why the hatred of Oswald? First if all he crammed into his 24 years more than any of critics ever came close to. He had served his country, explored a foreign country that was hostile to his own and was married with two children. How many of his hate mongers had done that in such a short time? Damn few I am sure. So there is an element of envy. The armchair critics loathe his sense of adventure.

This envy, leaning towards jealousy its visceral cousin, probably has roots deep in Freudian psychology. For if they believe Oswald killed Kennedy then he enacted the deep desire that exists inside every inadequate son: Patricide. So Oswald is loathed, by some WC advocates, for having the mettle to act out their deepest desires. Whenever you encounter the words 'loser' or 'failure' or 'nobody' from WC cheerleaders you know you are swimming in these Freudian waters. They envy Oswald because he did more before November 22 than they ever did by that age in their conventional, suburban lives. But above all (in their version of events) they despise him because they recognise themselves in him and cannot come to terms with the truth that he acted out the primal desire to remove the father figure, something they lacked the courage to confront. Oswald can never be forgiven by inadequate sons.

In truth Oswald was an unexceptional man. In terms of character, social interaction and academic achievement we was around average, as were his shooting skills. He wanted more than he was capable of it seems, no fault in a young man, but that made him easy prey for Fake Defector Programmes in the USSR, front shops for FPFC and ultimately the series of events which led to his death.

That such an unexceptional man was considered rather important in his lifetime is the clearest indication of security service entanglement with his life. Oswald was considered important enough to be impersonated on at least three occasions that involved government level bureaucracy. Not many of his sneering, suburban critics, weaned on the Warren report and USAID funding, can equal that. They are unworthy of impersonation.

[Fiver]

It makes no sense Fiver. Again we are asked to accept that these conspirators were idiots. I’ll ask you a question…

What would be the first rule of finding a suitable candidate as an imposter who you intended to send to an embassy that would absolutely undoubtedly have security cameras?

Well, if Oswald worked for my organization, I'd just send Oswald.

Failing that, if my organization for no apparent reason wanted to impersonate Oswald, I'd pick whoever looked the most like Oswald. Even then I'd have him wear a broad brimmed hat to provide a bit of shadow across his features.

[Fiver]

Lee Harvey Oswald is loathed by the Warren Commission advocates. It is very clear and unapologetic on this site and others. Why is this the case?

1) Oswald was a wife abuser.
2) Oswald anbused his mother.
3) Oswald threatened multiple relatives with a knife.
4) Oswald murdered a cop who was just doing his job.
5) Oswald was a coward who shot an unarmed man in the back.

Just the first point should be enough to loathe Oswald.

[Fiver]

The rifle was mailed to A, Hidell. not to Lee Oswald. A. Hidell was not listed to receive mail at that P O Box.

How is A. Hidell not being listed as a receiver for that PO Box an issue?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Well, if Oswald worked for my organization, I'd just send Oswald.

Failing that, if my organization for no apparent reason wanted to impersonate Oswald, I'd pick whoever looked the most like Oswald. Even then I'd have him wear a broad brimmed hat to provide a bit of shadow across his features.

Exactly. Who picks an imposter who looks nothing like the person that he’s supposed to be? Again our conspirators, that have the capability of setting up a fake autopsy and arranged for a government commission with a prescribed verdict, had influence over the CIA, the FBI, the Secret Service, the military and the police, are conveniently complete idiots.

[C. F. Leon]

Exactly. Who picks an imposter who looks nothing like the person that he’s supposed to be? Again our conspirators, that have the capability of setting up a fake autopsy and arranged for a government commission with a prescribed verdict, had influence over the CIA, the FBI, the Secret Service, the military and the police, are conveniently complete idiots.

Answer: Ed Wood, who replaced Bela Lugosi with his wife's chiropractor for "Plan 9 from Outer Space". And don't forget Dick Sargent replacing Dick York in Bewitched. At least the replacement Bobbie Jos (2) and Billie Jos (3) in Petticoat Junction looked enough like the originals to get by.

I'm not going to even MENTION the various James Bonds.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Lee Harvey Oswald is loathed by the Warren Commission advocates. It is very clear and unapologetic on this site and others. Why is this the case?

Well, he did (allegedly) kill the POTUS and that can be viewed as an attack on the people of the USA. But in reality an attack on the ruling elite is never any danger to the ordinary citizen as the film 'Suddenly' starring Frank Sinatra from 1954 made clear: 'The President is killed? Here's the laugh: they can replace him in 30 minutes.' Which is pretty much what happened in Dallas in 1963. Millionaire Biden is replaced by millionaire Trump as of today.

He didn’t ‘allegedly’ kill the President Cobalt. He did kill the President and he did murder Officer Tippit. There is a Mount Everest of evidence against him. Should this cause us to admire him?

So why the hatred of Oswald? First if all he crammed into his 24 years more than any of critics ever came close to. He had served his country, explored a foreign country that was hostile to his own and was married with two children. How many of his hate mongers had done that in such a short time? Damn few I am sure. So there is an element of envy. The armchair critics loathe his sense of adventure.

Come on Cobalt, euphemisms can only be taken so far. He didn’t ’explore a foreign country’ he defected to a country that his own country were in the middle of a Cold War with and he announces his intention to betray his country by giving away any secrets that he knew. Who knows how many lives might have been lost by his actions?

This envy, leaning towards jealousy its visceral cousin, probably has roots deep in Freudian psychology. For if they believe Oswald killed Kennedy then he enacted the deep desire that exists inside every inadequate son: Patricide. So Oswald is loathed, by some WC advocates, for having the mettle to act out their deepest desires. Whenever you encounter the words 'loser' or 'failure' or 'nobody' from WC cheerleaders you know you are swimming in these Freudian waters. They envy Oswald because he did more before November 22 than they ever did by that age in their conventional, suburban lives. But above all (in their version of events) they despise him because they recognise themselves in him and cannot come to terms with the truth that he acted out the primal desire to remove the father figure, something they lacked the courage to confront. Oswald can never be forgiven by inadequate sons.

Sorry Cobalt but that’s just psychobabble at its most egregious. Oswald was a traitor to his own country and its people, he was unhinged enough to attempt to kill one Governor and had to be restrained from killing Nixon. He beat his wife. She had to beg him for piffling amounts of cash simply to help look after his own children. The people that actually knew him described him as a compulsive liar. You are just using avoidance tactics. It’s what people do a lot these days. An example today is how people label people as racist simply because they discus immigration. You are labelling I’m afraid.

If I took the same approach I could say that those that defend Oswald are typical leftist, do-gooder types who believe that everyone in authority is evil and who simply love a good ‘poor wrongly accused underdog.’ Clichés can be attached to both sides but they get us nowhere.

In truth Oswald was an unexceptional man. In terms of character, social interaction and academic achievement we was around average, as were his shooting skills. He wanted more than he was capable of it seems, no fault in a young man, but that made him easy prey for Fake Defector Programmes in the USSR, front shops for FPFC and ultimately the series of events which led to his death.

Again, you simply try to excuse his blatant treachery by imagining him being duped into selling out his country. That there’s no evidence for this should bother you.

That such an unexceptional man was considered rather important in his lifetime is the clearest indication of security service entanglement with his life. Oswald was considered important enough to be impersonated on at least three occasions that involved government level bureaucracy. Not many of his sneering, suburban critics, weaned on the Warren report and USAID funding, can equal that. They are unworthy of impersonation.

He wasn’t impersonated. These are conspiracist inventions. Oswald wasn’t considered important. It’s remarkable that you can talk about a double-murderers sneering critics.

Im sorry to say this Cobalt but you may be quite sanguine about being in a double murderers fan club but I’m afraid that you can’t expect everyone to join you. For years the a section of society have swallowed hook, line and sinker every lie that people like Jim Garrison, Mark Lane and Oliver Stone have told them. We have in Lee Harvey Oswald the most obviously guilty murderer in history. The phrase bang-to-rights doesn’t do it justice. It does seem to irritate some, including yourself I have to say Cobalt, that we don’t all want to sign up to the conspiracy theory club.

None of the wider points that I’ve raised have been responded to. The last time this thread was active I posed the same points and they weren’t dealt with then either. It’s getting to be a common theme. I can only conclude that it’s because you realise that a) LHO would have been the worst person that a group of conspirators could have chose, b) no group of conspirators would have considered for a second using such a stupid, convoluted, reliant on luck plan, c) no remotely sensible person would have placed a gunman on the Grassy Knoll. Those points should be the starting point of any examination of the case. Once those three are answered honestly then there is no need to mention trajectories and bullets and witnesses. There would be no need to accuse every witness that they don’t like of being ‘in on it.’ There would be no need to call ‘fake’ at every photo, document or x-Ray that doesn’t fit the script. There would be no need of an evidenceless character assassinations of men who were simply doing their jobs.

Basically after a), b) and c) there can be no thought of a conspiracy. For years the American public have been conned into this self-hating nonsense I’m afraid. The only hatred should be reserved for a double murdering traitor who escaped justice.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Answer: Ed Wood, who replaced Bela Lugosi with his wife's chiropractor for "Plan 9 from Outer Space". And don't forget Dick Sargent replacing Dick York in Bewitched. At least the replacement Bobbie Jos (2) and Billie Jos (3) in Petticoat Junction looked enough like the originals to get by.

I'm not going to even MENTION the various James Bonds.

I wasn’t thinking of highbrow movies C.F.

[scottnapa]

So you're claiming that the lack of any evidence of LHO working for any intelligence service is proof that LHO worked for an intelligence service?

I am claiming that Allen Dulles is correct. The FBI and CIA will lie.

[scottnapa]

WESLEY LIEBELER -- "Now, supposing that Oswald had not, in fact, authorized A. J. Hidell to receive mail here in the Dallas box and that a package came addressed to the name of Hidell, which, in fact, one did at Post Office Box 2915; what procedure would be followed when that package came in?"

HARRY D. HOLMES -- "They would put the notice in the box."

MR. LIEBELER -- "Regardless of whose name was associated with the box?"

MR. HOLMES -- "That is the general practice.

thank you. Like you I have many books in storage. I remembered something was interesting about about the P O Box but some of the details are not in front of me.

[Fiver]

I am claiming that Allen Dulles is correct.

The FBI and CIA will lie.

So you're claiming that the lack of any evidence of LHO working for any intelligence service is proof that LHO worked for an intelligence service?

Nobody is doubting that the CIA and FBI might lie, but that doesn't prove that either organization had anything to do with Oswald or the assassination.

[scottnapa]

That is not what you said

You didn't specify successful, you said American.

Quoting me to me isn't necessary.
I did not specify successful. I did not think it was necessary When you pointed it out it I said what I meant.
I clarified so we can move on to the topic. Something I have done on this forum more than one.

Oswald is the only one to say he was a patsy. Period. You substituted "claimed he was not responsible" for patsy.
If you believe in your case, state the case, you should not have to lie or mislead.

[scottnapa]

Basically after a), b) and c) there can be no thought of a conspiracy.

If the Bethesda autopsy probed the back wound this could well be a civil conversation. They did not.
Dr Burkley's death certificate has the wound as high back and Gerald Ford made it lower neck. The autopsy photos are amateurish. Kennedy did not receive an autopsy worthy of the most important person in the world.
As I mention earlier. ( and no one responded so I now how you feel.)
Because the body was removed from Dallas, there is no assassination crime to prosecute without a body. NO evidence from the Bethesda autopsy that would be permissible in court.