JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[Fiver]

The shell casing pattern was tested and replicated.

The position of the shell casings tells us absolutely nothing about the trajectory of the bullets fired.

Anyone who believes in the magic bullet theory lives in a Fantasyland.

It's not magic. People try to make it impossible by not showing the bullet end on and by ignoring the actual positions of JFK and Connally. Modern forensics experts have repeatedly shown that it doesn't require magic.

For magic bullets, lets look at Oliver Stone.
* Bullet 1 from the Daltex misses everything and disappears without a trace.
* Bullet 2 from the Grassy Knoll curves to miss the crowds lining the street, the sign, and Connally to strike JFK in the throat and then disappears without a trace. Stone's pro-conspiracy consultant took one look at the re-enactment for the film and realized the shot was impossible.
* Bullet 3 from the Daltex is utterly silent, strikes JFK in the back, and then disappears without a trace.
* Bullet 4 from the Depository is utterly silent, curves to miss JFK, then curves again to hit Connally.
* Bullet 5 from the Grassy Knoll strikes JFK from the front and then disappears without leaving JFK's head.
* Bullet 6 from the Daltex is utterly silent, misses the limo and everyone in it, then travels through time to hit James Tague with a fragment before Bullet #5 hits JFK.

And even Stone was smart enough to not include Jim Garrison's fourth shooter behind a stone wall and fifth shooter firing from a storm drain.

[Herlock Sholmes]

As we know for a fact that there was no second gunman on the Knoll. And we know for a fact that no one outside of an asylum would have chosen Lee Harvey Oswald to have been a part of the most poorly conceived plan in the entire history of plans. And we know for a fact that the shots line up perfectly. Then there is no such thing as a magic bullet theory. It should be called the bullet fact.

Why is it that these facts are dismissed:

Oswald visited Ruth Paine’s on the Thursday for the first time ever on the day before the assassination.
Oswald left his wedding ring and a large (for LHO) quantity of cash (knowing that Marine usually had to beg for the tiniest sums)
Oswald had no lunch pack and carried a large package.
Oswald, according to coworkers, was the only man in Dallas to be unaware of the Presidents visit.
The snipers nest was on the floor where Oswald was working and was known to have been.
The rifle belonged to Oswald (the one that was kept at Ruth Paine’s was ‘strangely’ missing.)
It had his prints on it.
Cartons and the wrapping also had his prints on it.
He fled the scene.
He avoided the correct bus stop, jumped off the next bus, took a taxi and wouldn’t speak, then wouldn’t speak to the housekeeper.
He got dropped off a distance from his rooming house instead of outside of it.
The taxi driver saw him walk in a different direction then turn back.
He picked up a pistol (as all innocent men do of course)
He passed an area at just the time that someone kills Officer Tippit with Oswald’s gun before handing it back to him.
Unluckily many of the witnesses ID’d Oswald so the poor guy was unlucky enough to resemble the killer.
He lied and lied to the police (as innocent men always do)
He’d previously attempted to kill Governor Walker.
He had to be physically restrained by Marina from going out and shooting Nixon.
At the time of the murder Marina was convinced of his guilt, as was his brother as was those in the Russian emigré community.

Now, gents. I’m not going to bother responding to people going over the individual points because we have heard it all before. LHO couldn’t have acted more guiltily if someone had scripted the part of a guilty man for him and then told him to really ‘ham it up’. Added to this we have a bunch of plotters who have the wherewithal to set allegedly set up a fake inquest, to forge prints, documents, photos, x-rays, control witnesses etc and yet they relied almost entirely on luck.They picked a dupe/patsy/assassin (take your pick) that any even remotely intelligent person wouldn’t have touched with a barge pole and proceeded to drop him into the most convoluted plot ever. One that Dan Brown would have turned his nose up at. These plotters are so unutterably dense, so devoid of intelligence or planning skills that they go to the massive precaution of flooding the autopsy with alleged government ‘puppets’ and yet they forget to do the same at Parkland (even though they would actually have known beforehand that the President would have been taken there) Is that believable? No, not for a single second it’s not. So it has to be constantly ignored in the hope that it won’t get mentioned again.

It’s simply amazing that people can look at the above and say ‘conspiracy.’ You can only arrive at ‘conspiracy’ if you believe that we live in some kind of matrix where absolutely everything is a lie and not a single thing can be trusted.

Im not a CIA operative (honest) I have no military training, no knowledge of weaponry or ballistics and I’ve never, ever planned an assassination (honest), let alone the assassination of a president. But I have planned things. My work involved planning. I, like most people, know the basic principles - keep it simple because greater complexity provides greater risk of something going wrong. Set up contingency plans because errors occur. Put the right people in the right place. Don’t rely on good fortune. And if something requires secrecy involve as few people as possible. So why did our top plotters apply not a single one of these principles? And this was for the assassination of the President and not, as in my case, to insure that a customer got what they required. Why weren’t they bothered? Why didn’t it concern them that a thousand things could have gone wrong? Why weren’t they bothered about having their part in this murder revealed?

My genius plan for a presidential assassination:

Find an expert sniper willing to do the job.
Ensure that he has the best rifle on the market (but with all serial number removed to make it untraceable)
Place him in an empty room high in a building (note..there was no requirement that it had to be Dallas)
Preferably a building with a fire escape at the rear.
Maybe give him a bit of disguise, glasses, false beard, walking stick etc?
He ensures that he leaves no prints in the room.
On the day of the assassination have a car waiting at the rear of the building.
He wears gloves and shoots the President.
He leaves the gun, walks to the fire escape and exits.
The car drives him away.
He’s delivered to another car at a prearranged spot.
He’s either driven to an airstrip miles from the scene of the assassination. (Or, alternately, he sits tight somewhere for a few days before going to an airstrip).
A) He gets a plane out of the country with loads of cash, or B) he’s killed and dropped into the sea.

Game over. Kennedy dead. No way of tracing the gunman and even any physical description of him would have been wrong.

Now…is anyone going to say “wow Herlock! What a genius you are for coming up with such a brilliantly conceived, close to foolproof plan. You should work for the CIA.”

Or, would you say “ sounds like a fairly obvious, common sense plan to me.”

Follow on question - why didn’t our multi-agency, top level, mega-experienced, massively resourced plotters think of it then?

And there we have it in a nutshell. Clearly no conspiracy. It’s a complete invention by people over the years who have resorted to an obsession of a paranoid nature. Long past time to let it go imo.

[FISHY1118]

Claiming CE 399 was pristine is ignoring the evidence.



The fragments pulled from Connally matched CE 399.



There was no bullet hole in the windshield.



There's no such thing as "semi automatic bullets", that is a characteristic of the gun. Sgt. Gerald Hill assumed the shells came from a.38 automatic, but multiple witnesses saw the shooter had to manually eject the shells.

Tippet was killed with a mix of Winchester-Western and Remington Peters bullets. When apprehended, Oswald's gun had a mix of Winchester-Western and Remington Peters bullets. And that's just the tip of the iceberg of the evidence that Oswald killed Tippet.



It was the same rifle and the backyard photos taken by Marina Oswald matched.



Careful, an actual fact just slipped into your list.



It is a remarkable list of pro-Conspiracy lies that you accept as true.



The case for Oswald killing Tippit would be a slam dunk. The case for Oswald killing JFK was not as strong, but still would probably lead to conviction.

Show me evidence the fragments removed from. Connally matched c399.

Show me evidence the rifle removed on the day of the assassination from the tsbd matched the one from Oswald photo ,

Do your research properly on the shells removed from Tippit, dont just assume or guess.

Do your research on the bullet hole seen by witnesses at parkland hospital,
Don't just use witnesses for your arguement then not allowed me the same.

In no universe would Oswald ever been convicted of killing jfk with the amount of evidence to show the warren commission was a sham.

[Patrick Differ]

Why did the government withold so many documents for so many years if it was all so cut and dry?
Like most Ive read many books but the conspiracy was set the second Ruby killed Oswald.
Having been to Dealy Plaza and walked it what struck me was the actual distances and angles. Its an assassination dream as Kennedy was a sitting duck. A shot from the knoll was a chip shot and it eerily conjurs the Zapruder film. That said a killer from the book depository with scope and decent rifle may have been able to pull it off but then you ask was that Oswald with a $12 dollar cheap Italian WW2 rifle?
I honestly don't know but many believe not.
The government is complicit in conspiracy theories by withholding files. An BTW, the FBI just found a large cache of JFK documents " it didn't know it had?"
it is frustrating but I stopped trusting government decades ago.
Peace Out

[cobalt]

Nobody had any reason to fingerprint Oswald's corpse at the funeral home.

I can't agree with that. There might have been a reason.

Planting a fingerprint is possible. But it carries a great risk as under closer examination the artificial nature of the print might become apparent. For this reason- one which could abort an entire trial- I am told that planting fingerprints was considered more of a risk than a reward. It was not done.

Therefore to plant a fingerprint you would need to do so from source: in this case Oswald's fingers and palms. Anything less on the gun barrel could have been contested. In fact it might have seen the heavens fall!

The bad news is that nowadays DNA can be planted anywhere so help you God.

[Fiver]

Now…is anyone going to say “wow Herlock! What a genius you are for coming up with such a brilliantly conceived, close to foolproof plan. You should work for the CIA.”

Or, would you say “ sounds like a fairly obvious, common sense plan to me.”

I would add only a couple points.
* Do not attack when the target is in a moving vehicle.

On the morning of November 22, 1963, JFK gave a little over three minute speech outside the Texas Hotel in Fort Worth. Three minutes standing on a raised platform behind a podium in the open air is a lot better choice for a competent conspiracy.

* Do not try to frame any individual.

It adds lots of unnecessary risk and cost.

[Fiver]

Show me evidence the fragments removed from. Connally matched c399.

It was proved in 1967 and again in 1977.