JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[Fiver]

Surely Oswald could not have got the shots off in time.

CBS News proved it could be done in 1967.

Why did he not shoot when he was heading towards him?

It would have been a harder shot due to the steeper downward angle and it would have been easier for the Secret Service to spot him and return fire.

What about the magic bullet?

It's not magic. People try to make it impossible by not showing the bullet end on and by ignoring the actual positions of JFK and Connally. Modern forensics experts have repeatedly shown that it doesn't require magic.

Faking the bullet fragments would require that the autopsy doctors be part of the Conspiracy, but Jackie Kennedy choose where the autopsy was done.

[chubbs]

Next they'll be trying to convince us that Trump wasn't shot dead at Butler Farm last year - and that the bloke who stood up with a bit of fake blood on his ear wasn't the body double, when we all know what's REALLY going on. We're not stupid.

[Fiver]

That might have been the plan, however you would need to have Oswald on the same floor as the rifle for it to work. LHO, in what fragments of his police statement have emerged, made a strong case for his being in the lunch room at around 12.20. So if he was still there at 12.30 you could hardly walk in and dispatch him.

So you're saying the Conspiracy completely ignored an essential part of their plan? How did these incompetent bumblers pull it off?

Framing a patsy requires that the patsy have no alibi. Any competent conspiracy would have to lure Oswald to the 6th floor before the shooting and keep everyone else off of the 6th floor. Luring might be possible, but how could they guarantee no one saw the Lure with Oswald? And how do they keep other people from accidentally walking in during events? How do they keep anyone inside or outside the Book Depository from noticing the 5 or 6 man team of Conspirators entering or leaving the building?

Even then there are serious problems. Faking a suicide shot via rifle is not so easy.

Oswald owned a pistol.

And using the logic of Shakespeare's Macbeth: if killing a national leader looks suspicious when it happens under the protection of his successor, then that applies x2 when the alleged assassin is killed in the immediate aftermath.

A competent Conspiracy would want a dead Oswald lying next to the rifle. But Oswald was not killed in the immediate aftermath. He wasn't even killed when he tried to shoot the police that arrested him for JD Tippet's murder. Oswald was arrested before 2pm on Friday and killed shortly after 11am on Sunday. That's nearly two full days later and Oswald was allowed to talk to the press during that time.

If there was a Conspiracy, they were a pack of bumbling idiots.

[Pcdunn]

https://nypost.com/2025/02/11/us-news/luna-to-lead-new-federal-secrets-task-force-on-jfk-assassination/

The intial report I read about her involvement phrased it as she wanted to reinterview the Warren Commission and all witnesses involved in the JFK death inquiry. She was immediately criticized for apparently not knowing all (most?) original witnesses and participants are deceased.
i quipped that maybe she wanted to call in the cast of Oliver Stone's film "JFK" (not that it would help, lol.)
Anyway, beware of the New York Post (pretty much a tabloid). But this is the newest info on the JFK investigation from the States.

[C. F. Leon]

There's no way LHO got off 3 shots like that.

...

He doesn't NEED to get THREE shots off in the time. He needs to get TWO shots off. The timing STARTS with the FIRST shot, with the round already in the chamber.

It goes like this:

* BANG #1- timer starts
tick, tick
* BANG #2
tick, tick
* Bang #3- timer stops

[cobalt]

So you're saying the Conspiracy completely ignored an essential part of their plan? How did these incompetent bumblers pull it off?

No, you are. It was not essential to kill Oswald in the immediate aftermath as events proved. Preferably yes; but not essentially.

Framing a patsy requires that the patsy have no alibi. Any competent conspiracy would have to lure Oswald to the 6th floor before the shooting and keep everyone else off of the 6th floor. Luring might be possible, but how could they guarantee no one saw the Lure with Oswald? And how do they keep other people from accidentally walking in during events? How do they keep anyone inside or outside the Book Depository from noticing the 5 or 6 man team of Conspirators entering or leaving the building?

Ideally, yes. But Oswald was connected to the 6th floor through his work duties and also the rifle through a mail order, so that was good enough. Especially once he was executed. The number of conspirators within the TSBD is unknown, so the estimate of five or six figure is merely off the top of your head.

'Even then there are serious problems. Faking a suicide shot via rifle is not so easy.'
Oswald owned a pistol

He had access to one but whether he actually owned one is debated. There is no evidence that he possessed a pistol at the time of the assassination.

A competent Conspiracy would want a dead Oswald lying next to the rifle. But Oswald was not killed in the immediate aftermath. He wasn't even killed when he tried to shoot the police that arrested him for JD Tippet's murder. Oswald was arrested before 2pm on Friday and killed shortly after 11am on Sunday. That's nearly two full days later and Oswald was allowed to talk to the press during that time.

To tell the media what exactly? Since he was not part of the conspiracy LHO had little to offer bar his CIA connections which went back to his time in Belarus. That fake defector line would hardly have bolstered his credibility nor eased his predicament inside the Dallas jail. BTW, the claim that LHO attempted to shoot the police when massively outnumbered relies upon police testimony alone. I am not aware if any cinema patrons who have given testimony to support it.

If there was a Conspiracy, they were a pack of bumbling idiots.

History suggests otherwise.

[FISHY1118]

I'm not going back and reading 178 pages, well not today. What is the consensus here? Lone shooter or conspiracy?

Well it would be good if you did, then you would see for yourself and make up your own mind . If you do one thing only, at least watch JFK revisited, "Through the looking glass" It will blow you away [pardon the pun]


Your question should read.... 'The Warren Commission Conspiracy or Mulitple Shooter planned event ''?

Everything the Warren Commission said happen is a direct contradiction to hundreds of eyewitness and Expert medical testimony at the time ,and in these 178 pages many posters have pointed such evidence that supports that fact .


Ones things for sure ,the current .U.S Administration is going to show the world what many have known for decades, and i for one cant wait until the truth finally come to light.That the biggest coverup and political assassination in history was carried out by high ranking goverment officals and agencies for there own political gain .

Why else would the JFK files be hidden away from the public for 62 years under the guise of ''National Security Reasons''

If LHO Was the just a crack nut job and acted entirely on his own as per the W.C , please someboby tell what possible threat there could be for 63 years !!!!!!!

[Fiver]

Ideally, yes. But Oswald was connected to the 6th floor through his work duties and also the rifle through a mail order, so that was good enough. Especially once he was executed. The number of conspirators within the TSBD is unknown, so the estimate of five or six figure is merely off the top of your head.

My estimate is based on a shooter, at least one to guard the elevators, at least one to guard the stairs, at least one to plant evidence, and one to lure Oswald to the 6th floor. They'd probably want a driver as well, but he wouldn't have to sneak in and out of the Book Depository undetected.

Because leaving the patsy to roam free is an act of utter stupidity by the Conspiracy. They have no way of ensuring he doesn't wander outside where he could be seen by dozens and appear in multiple photos.

He had access to one but whether he actually owned one is debated. There is no evidence that he possessed a pistol at the time of the assassination.

Oswald tried to shoot the arresting officers with the pistol he was carrying. It had been shipped to him by Seaport Traders, Inc on March 13, months before JFK decided to go to Dallas.

To tell the media what exactly? Since he was not part of the conspiracy LHO had little to offer bar his CIA connections which went back to his time in Belarus. That fake defector line would hardly have bolstered his credibility nor eased his predicament inside the Dallas jail. BTW, the claim that LHO attempted to shoot the police when massively outnumbered relies upon police testimony alone. I am not aware if any cinema patrons who have given testimony to support it.

If Oswald didn't have a gun at the theater and try to use it, then everyone present had to be a part of the Conspiracy - roughly two dozen patrons, at least half-a-dozen police, an FBI agent, and shoe store manager Johnny Brewer.

Or the Conspiracy could have left Oswald on the 6th floor of the Book Depository, dead of a single "self-inflicted" pistol shot.

That's what a competent Conspiracy would have done.

[Lewis C]

IIRC, there were about 12 witnesses that either saw Oswald kill Officer Tippett or saw him run from the scene. So it can hardly be argued that he didn't kill Tippett. Surely someone wouldn't kill a policeman unless he was trying to escape from having committed a serious crime. In fact, Oswald is unlikely to have even left the SBD if he was innocent.

[scottnapa]

Those who believe Oswald acted alone, could you tell me what evidence would be used to convict Oswald in a court of law? Very little of the Warren Commission facts will apply.

[FISHY1118]

Those who believe Oswald acted alone, could you tell me what evidence would be used to convict Oswald in a court of law? Very little of the Warren Commission facts will apply.

Indeed Scott. More so, just imagine if LHO had lived and stood trial ? The amount of contradictory evidence and abundant amount of witnesses the defence lawyers could and would have called upon is staggering . He would have walked a free man at the end of the first day.!!

[Fiver]

Those who believe Oswald acted alone, could you tell me what evidence would be used to convict Oswald in a court of law? Very little of the Warren Commission facts will apply.

* Printing on order coupon for the rifle matched Oswald.
* Printing on order envelope for the rifle matched Oswald.
* Printing on money order for the rifle matched Oswald.
* Handwriting for the application of the PO Box the rifle was shipped to matched Oswald.
* Handwriting for change of address form for that PO Box matched Oswald.
* On arrest, Oswald was carrying a forged Selective Service notice of classification with the name the rifle was ordered under.
* On arrest, Oswald was carrying a forged Marine certificate of service with the name the rifle was ordered under.
* Oswald's photos of himself with the rifle.
* Marina Oswald's testimony that she took the pictures.
* Buell Wesley Frazier's testimony about Oswald bringing the package to work that day.
* Linnie Mae Randle's testimony about Oswald bringing the package to work that day.
* Fibers found on the rifle matched Oswald's shirt.
* Right palm print on stock of the rifle.
* Right middle and ring finger prints on trigger guard.
* Left index finger and palm prints on paper bag.
* Right palm print on box in snipers nest.
* Eight index finger print on another box in sniper's nest.
* Left palm print on corner of third box in sniper's nest.
* Howard L. Brennan's description of the shooter.
* Ronald Fischer's description of the shooter.
* Robert Edwards's description of the shooter.

So not as clearcut as the evidence that Oswald killed Tippet, but pretty good.

[The Rookie Detective]

* Printing on order coupon for the rifle matched Oswald.
* Printing on order envelope for the rifle matched Oswald.
* Printing on money order for the rifle matched Oswald.
* Handwriting for the application of the PO Box the rifle was shipped to matched Oswald.
* Handwriting for change of address form for that PO Box matched Oswald.
* On arrest, Oswald was carrying a forged Selective Service notice of classification with the name the rifle was ordered under.
* On arrest, Oswald was carrying a forged Marine certificate of service with the name the rifle was ordered under.
* Oswald's photos of himself with the rifle.
* Marina Oswald's testimony that she took the pictures.
* Buell Wesley Frazier's testimony about Oswald bringing the package to work that day.
* Linnie Mae Randle's testimony about Oswald bringing the package to work that day.
* Fibers found on the rifle matched Oswald's shirt.
* Right palm print on stock of the rifle.
* Right middle and ring finger prints on trigger guard.
* Left index finger and palm prints on paper bag.
* Right palm print on box in snipers nest.
* Eight index finger print on another box in sniper's nest.
* Left palm print on corner of third box in sniper's nest.
* Howard L. Brennan's description of the shooter.
* Ronald Fischer's description of the shooter.
* Robert Edwards's description of the shooter.

So not as clearcut as the evidence that Oswald killed Tippet, but pretty good.

Excellent points.

Oswald was certainly guilty of all the above.

The only thing he didn't do...

...was fire the final "kill" shot that obliterated the president's head.

That shot was instead carried out by a professional sniper located just east of the bridge underpass; located in the opposite direction to Oswald's position.

When the president's car sped off, it essentially drove towards the sniper.

[cobalt]

For clarification, I never disputed that Oswald was in possession of a revolver when arrested inside the cinema. I doubted that he had one in his possession when the assassination of JFK took place. Whether Oswald collected said revolver from his rooming house (he must have had some reason to return there briefly) or was handed one inside the cinema is unknown.

The patrons of the cinema would have been unable to determine whether Oswald attempted to shoot his arresting officers since the police were crowded round him at the time. All dramatic accounts of firing pins jamming or fingers blocking the mechanism come from LE sources.

The WC seemed highly uninterested as to where LHO was headed when, by their account, he executed Officer Tippit.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I’ve previously said that I was done with JFK and I meant it, still do. I recently got rid of 45 books on the case (I now only have one left) and I’ve deleted all of my files on the case. But I found this list which, for some inexplicable reason, was in my Wallace Case files. It is the first part of a list of the reasons why Oswald was clearly guilty and acted alone. The second part has gone. So I thought id post what I had for the sake of it.


- That those powerful people who allegedly organised such a momentous event should have entrusted it to an unreliable loose cannon-type as Oswald is not remotely believable. Especially not one who had recently defected to the Soviet Union given the political climate at the time.

- Why wouldn’t these powerful people have hired a real assassin, firing from an empty room, with an escape plan in place? That they would have resorted to Oswald stretches credibility beyond breaking point.

- That they would have chosen a man to kill the President from a location where he had absolutely no control over the movements of the other workers in the building is not believable.

- That Oswald was left to roam around, kill Tippit and get arrested in a cinema with the gun that killed Tippit and which was bought by him, with absolutely no plan of escape can’t be taken seriously. Would these powerful men have risked all (careers, livelihoods, freedom, reputations) on him not blabbing? No chance.

- That they would have placed a gunman on the Grassy Knoll which was directly in front of a car park specifically used by the police department and local courthouse workers isn’t believable.

- That they would have placed a second gunman there when they would have known full well that there could be people moving around behind him and people in front of him with cameras and movie cameras isn’t believable.

- They couldn’t possibly have expected to apprehend every single camera and movie camera in Dealey Plaza that day which would have left them with the potentially catastrophic risk of someone showing up at a press office with a photograph or film footage of a second gunman. Was this an amateur hour killing of a low level drug dealer or the assassination of the most powerful man in the world?

- There was the undoubted risk, no matter how small, of the Grassy Knoll shooter missing and hitting someone in the square which they wouldn’t have been able to explain away as coming from the TSBD.

- There’s a photograph of Oswald with the rifle. When Oswald was asked about his addresses he conveniently omitted the address where the photo was taken.,

- As for any suggestion of a shooter near to the underpass how could they have avoided the numerous police officers in that location? And what if a shooter from there had missed and hit someone or something behind the car? How could they have explained that away?

- The fact that the way that Oswald got the job, through his wife attending a random coffee morning that Buell Fraser’s sister attended. There’s also record of his very recent attempts to get jobs elsewhere (anyone of which would have precluded him from being the assassin at the TSBD) His convenient location at the TSBD was entirely fortuitous as the route had been recently altered to include passing that building.

- The TSBD had 2 buildings. It was only by chance that Roy Truly put Oswald in that one. What kind of ‘government’ conspiracy relies on luck at so many points. Your average shoplifting trip made better plans against this kind of thing.

- That on the day of the day previous to the assassination, for the first time ever, Oswald had altered his routine in regards to when he went to Ruth Paine’s. Those on the conspiracy side usually don’t believe in coincidence.

- Oswald was seen with a large package on the day of the murder for the first time ever and the wrapping paper was found on the 6th floor.

- The rifle was bought by Oswald under an assumed name that was on the library card in his pocket. Did the conspirators want him traced?

- The bullets were proven to have come from that rifle.

- Oswald’s prints were on the rifle including a print that was in a location that could only have been accessed by someone who had disassemble the weapon.

- Identifications weren’t perfect, witnesses rarely are, but people saw a gunman in Oswald’s window.

- Oswald’s wife and brother believed him guilty as did members of the Russian emigré community.

- That they supposedly set up a fake autopsy when the location was only decided by Jackie Kennedy when asked by Kennedy’s Doctor who gave her a choice of three hospitals.

- The bizarre suggestion that they set up a fake autopsy and yet took no precautions at Parkland (where they would have known in advance that Kennedy would have been taken) is like a bank robber putting on his mask after he’s robbed the bank.

- If you could count up the provably ‘dodgy’ witnesses the vast majority are on the pro-conspiracy side.

….

That’s now deleted. I won’t bother discussing the points but if some file appears or conclusive proof arises at some point in the future you have my word that I’ll be the first to come on here to say “ok chaps, looks like I was wrong, well done.”

But until that time, I’m done. This case is a madhouse full of obsessives. I’m not talking about posters on here I want to stress, I’m talking about ‘out there.’ Conspiracy theorists that I would trust with my shopping list. People who make a living from confusion and misinformation are causing havoc across the world. Some of the least logical people I’ve ever met have been ones who are obsessively anti any kind of ‘establishment’ like the Warren Commission who clearly made mistakes but were certainly not dishonest. I’ve read all of the books written by them and about them. They were the good, the bad and the average…but part of a cover up? No way. In my opinion too much time is wasted on the minutiae of the case. Every part of the case is disputed except for the ID of the victim. They had to get one thing right after all. I think that the wider picture has to be looked at, (hence my points above) but conspiracy supporters waste too much time on disputed trivia which create the impression that something strange was going on. Anyone could produce a documentary making a conspiracy look obvious. Just read a couple of conspiracy books and then film it. Simple. We’ve had Garrison with his 20 assassins. We’ve had the man with the Umbrella Gun. We’ve had the killer in the drain. We’ve had agent Hickey falling backward and accidentally killing Kennedy. We’ve even had the driver Greer supposedly turning around and shooting Kennedy. We had David Lifton’s journey into madness, claiming that Kennedy’s wounds were operated on on Airforce One. We’ve had dodgy diaries. Witnesses claiming to be where they provably weren’t. We had Mary Moorman using a camera that wasn’t available in the USA at the time. We’ve had Jack Ruby in Dealey Plaza when he was probably elsewhere. We’ve had the tramps identified as agents until they were actually identified…as tramps. When will this ever end?

Ask yourself this (knowing the kind of person Lee Harvey Oswald was) if you were part of some powerful government cabal planning to assassinate the Commander-in-Chief in broad daylight, knowing the catastrophic, earth-shattering consequences (both personal and national) if it went wrong and your part in it was revealed - would you leave anything to chance before signing off on it? Would you just ‘hope for a bit of luck?’ And would you have chosen the lifelong loser, defector and complete failure that was Lee Harvey Oswald?