Edit. In my last post I typed that Ruby was ‘probably’ elsewhere. This was possibly auto-correct because it should have read ‘provably.’ I’m still adamant that I’m not getting into the minutiae of witnesses and trajectory’s and stuff like that. I’ll leave it to others. But I have no issue expanding on general points.
While I’m here![Pleased](https://forum.casebook.org/core/images/smilies/clipart/pleased.gif)
I don’t really understand why anyone doesn’t accept what I believe are some very obvious points about a suggested high level conspiracy like the one regularly proposed.
I’ll begin with something that we all can surely all agree on? The sheer magnitude of a proposed plan to assassinate the President of the United States and that no one could have had a moments doubt about the level of scrutiny that would have followed? Anyone at a higher level, whether the initiator or the planners or both, would have wanted a plan that was foolproof - or as close to it as was humanly possible. Just imagine for a second if someone like LBJ (often suggested as being involved) had been revealed as being in on it. Consider the ramifications, consider the headlines across the world “US Vice-President Involved In The President’s Assassination!” Can we honestly believe that anyone, politician, senior military man, high level CIA operatives etc) would allow for the remotest possibility of their name being associated with such an event as this? Yes, absolutely governments lie, plot, conspire and cover-up but they tend not to do it with all of the rigorous planning and intelligence of the Marx Brothers. Following on from this there are some, to me, very simple and very obvious points.
Firstly, as any plotter/conspirator/ political manipulator would tell you, in any conspiracy/cover-up it’s a case of the fewest possible number of people involved the better. We have all heard the phrase ‘need to know basis only.’ People make mistakes, people have loose tongues, they sit in bars drinking beer and then get irresistibly tempted to tell their best friend by swearing him to secrecy (and people never break such oaths…do they?) The number of people that would have had to have been ‘in on it’ in this alleged conspiracy is off the scale. So many that it’s impossible to get close to counting them (although I’m sure that someone has attempted to at some point) - Dallas police officers, secret service agents, witnesses, CIA, FBI, the military, doctors, radiographers, photographers, ambulance men, hospital porters, nurses, ballistics experts, politicians, lawyers to name just the main ones…all in on it. All keeping their secrets and playing their parts efficiently. Can anyone honestly accept this?
Secondly, we can surely also agree that even a wedding takes some planning with nothing left to luck. Those doing the planning sit and think of anything that might go wrong and try to reduce the chances of them occurring. They lose sleep over it. They might also chuck in a contingency plan or two to prepare for ‘what if’s’. Who would disagree that the assassination of the President is about 10 million times more serious than a wedding. This needed serious, intense planning to reduce the risks to a point as close to foolproof as possible. These are the kind of planners that plan invasions and regime changes. We can’t seriously believe that someone like LBJ or a senior CIA or FBI official would have signed off on a plan with about 500 ways that it could have gone to pieces if something perfectly everyday but unplanned for had occurred? Look at just a few examples of the luck required - that no co-worker walks in on Oswald on the 6th floor, that someone turns around and sees the gunman, that someone went to their car on the carpark and sees the gunman, that someone catches the Grassy Knoll gunman on film and leaves Dealey Plaza with it, that someone takes a photo of the 6th floor window while Oswald was there with his rifle. We could all come up with a sizeable list so why is this point…this glaring point…cast aside with a kind of ‘Ho-hum’ level of dismissal? I’ll repeat..this was a plan to kill the world’s most powerful man, in broad daylight, with still and moving cameras everywhere. And yet we get a ‘so what’ response, as if it was merely some kind of April Fool’s prank being planned. Ok, so we might get caught and outed…so what, it’s only the murder of the President after all. “Ya win some, ya lose some.”
Thirdly, why is it suggested that this was a plan originating at the highest levels by some of the most powerful people in the most powerful country in the world, military, CIA, special forces etc, and yet they choose someone who is nothing more than an average shot and who has no training or aptitude or previous experience of this kind of thing. Now, before people suggest an Oswald/CIA link (something unproven) there is still no suggestion that he was a mercenary, or sniper or an assassin. Please people, ask yourselves honestly, for this magnitude of job who in the world is going to choose Lee Harvey Oswald? Why the hell would anyone? These people could have their pick of mercenaries, disgruntled ex-military men, right wing CIA operatives, John Birch Society-types etc. Do we really believe that they would have been so desperate that they would have used a guy, a nobody, like Oswald? The suggestion really beggars belief. They just wouldn’t have. Not a chance. They would have found some mercenary/sniper, offered him a shed load of money, provided a top of the range rifle with all serial numbers and means of connecting it to the assassin removed. They’d have found him a room in a high building with an escape car waiting out back (there was no rule that Kennedy had to be killed in Dallas btw). Thirty seconds after Kennedy was dead he’d have been driven away in a waiting car (connected to no one) to a plane waiting somewhere. Gone for good with no trace with a suitcase full of money. (Or, as Bugliosi suggested, buried in the desert somewhere with a bullet through his brain) But no, we get Oswald wandering around Dallas like a headless chicken. On a bus, off a bus, in a taxi. He goes back to his room, picks up a pistol, kills Tippit, acts suspiciously near the cinema and gets caught inside. With our conspirators going happily about their business unconcerned that their ‘killer’ is now roaming around acting suspiciously, free to spill his guts to the police when he’s arrested. Why do some think that this isn’t a problem? Why do they equate its seriousness with the possibility of a wedding car breaking down or the cake having strawberry instead of raspberry jam in it? Oswald is even allowed to speak in front of the TV cameras! Could things be less believable?
And let’s remember the time. Look at the relationship with the Soviet Union. Bay of Pigs etc. The world in fear of nuclear conflict and these genius plotters pick a guy who defected to the Soviet Union! This is just a killer blow. How could they not have been ‘concerned’ to put it mildly. Oswald had already blabbed on TV about the Soviet Union so it couldn’t be hidden. So they would now have serious people, politicians etc suggesting that the Russians might have killed Kennedy. The plotters couldn’t have been unaware of this eventuality so why risk it when they had absolutely no reason to because they could have chosen an ‘assassin’ who wasn’t a defector? How can this be defended?
Remember, this is a guy who tried to kill Governor Walker, a guy who had to be locked in a room by Marina because he’d previously taken up his gun and was going to go out and shoot Nixon. This is a guy with anger issues who regularly hit Marina. A guy who moved from job to job. A guy who was a known liar? A guy who was described by people who knew him as the kind of guy who felt that he’d never received the rewards that his ‘talents’ deserved. What is it about this man that any member of cabal of high level plotters would have said “yes I agree, it has to be Oswald, only he can be trusted upon to carry this off.”
These are the things that need to be considered but what usually happens is that someone says “yes but what about the trajectory of the bullet that….blah, blah.” We all know that every single aspect of this case has at least 2 ‘explanations’ because people have spent 60 years trying to find ever more imaginative ways of casting doubt on everything. We see it in the ripper case of course but we have to multiply this by 500 in the assassination such is the complexity of the case and the massive number of people involved. This is why debate has gone on and on and on for 60 years of attempts to make every little discrepancy or error or difference of opinion appear as evidence of a plot. All that we have to do is to look at the bigger picture with common sense and it’s easy. Absolutely no one outside of a padded cell would have chosen Lee Harvey Oswald for anything, let alone the assassination of the world’s most powerful man. No one would have undertaken such a Keystone Cops plan which was totally reliant on luck. They apparently spent ages with false Oswald’s, Post Office boxes, false names, planted prints, faked photos, faked autopsy photos etc and yet they couldn’t manage having a car waiting to get their boy away from the scene. No way. Not a chance.
Oswald was a lone assassin.
While I’m here
![Pleased](https://forum.casebook.org/core/images/smilies/clipart/pleased.gif)
I don’t really understand why anyone doesn’t accept what I believe are some very obvious points about a suggested high level conspiracy like the one regularly proposed.
I’ll begin with something that we all can surely all agree on? The sheer magnitude of a proposed plan to assassinate the President of the United States and that no one could have had a moments doubt about the level of scrutiny that would have followed? Anyone at a higher level, whether the initiator or the planners or both, would have wanted a plan that was foolproof - or as close to it as was humanly possible. Just imagine for a second if someone like LBJ (often suggested as being involved) had been revealed as being in on it. Consider the ramifications, consider the headlines across the world “US Vice-President Involved In The President’s Assassination!” Can we honestly believe that anyone, politician, senior military man, high level CIA operatives etc) would allow for the remotest possibility of their name being associated with such an event as this? Yes, absolutely governments lie, plot, conspire and cover-up but they tend not to do it with all of the rigorous planning and intelligence of the Marx Brothers. Following on from this there are some, to me, very simple and very obvious points.
Firstly, as any plotter/conspirator/ political manipulator would tell you, in any conspiracy/cover-up it’s a case of the fewest possible number of people involved the better. We have all heard the phrase ‘need to know basis only.’ People make mistakes, people have loose tongues, they sit in bars drinking beer and then get irresistibly tempted to tell their best friend by swearing him to secrecy (and people never break such oaths…do they?) The number of people that would have had to have been ‘in on it’ in this alleged conspiracy is off the scale. So many that it’s impossible to get close to counting them (although I’m sure that someone has attempted to at some point) - Dallas police officers, secret service agents, witnesses, CIA, FBI, the military, doctors, radiographers, photographers, ambulance men, hospital porters, nurses, ballistics experts, politicians, lawyers to name just the main ones…all in on it. All keeping their secrets and playing their parts efficiently. Can anyone honestly accept this?
Secondly, we can surely also agree that even a wedding takes some planning with nothing left to luck. Those doing the planning sit and think of anything that might go wrong and try to reduce the chances of them occurring. They lose sleep over it. They might also chuck in a contingency plan or two to prepare for ‘what if’s’. Who would disagree that the assassination of the President is about 10 million times more serious than a wedding. This needed serious, intense planning to reduce the risks to a point as close to foolproof as possible. These are the kind of planners that plan invasions and regime changes. We can’t seriously believe that someone like LBJ or a senior CIA or FBI official would have signed off on a plan with about 500 ways that it could have gone to pieces if something perfectly everyday but unplanned for had occurred? Look at just a few examples of the luck required - that no co-worker walks in on Oswald on the 6th floor, that someone turns around and sees the gunman, that someone went to their car on the carpark and sees the gunman, that someone catches the Grassy Knoll gunman on film and leaves Dealey Plaza with it, that someone takes a photo of the 6th floor window while Oswald was there with his rifle. We could all come up with a sizeable list so why is this point…this glaring point…cast aside with a kind of ‘Ho-hum’ level of dismissal? I’ll repeat..this was a plan to kill the world’s most powerful man, in broad daylight, with still and moving cameras everywhere. And yet we get a ‘so what’ response, as if it was merely some kind of April Fool’s prank being planned. Ok, so we might get caught and outed…so what, it’s only the murder of the President after all. “Ya win some, ya lose some.”
Thirdly, why is it suggested that this was a plan originating at the highest levels by some of the most powerful people in the most powerful country in the world, military, CIA, special forces etc, and yet they choose someone who is nothing more than an average shot and who has no training or aptitude or previous experience of this kind of thing. Now, before people suggest an Oswald/CIA link (something unproven) there is still no suggestion that he was a mercenary, or sniper or an assassin. Please people, ask yourselves honestly, for this magnitude of job who in the world is going to choose Lee Harvey Oswald? Why the hell would anyone? These people could have their pick of mercenaries, disgruntled ex-military men, right wing CIA operatives, John Birch Society-types etc. Do we really believe that they would have been so desperate that they would have used a guy, a nobody, like Oswald? The suggestion really beggars belief. They just wouldn’t have. Not a chance. They would have found some mercenary/sniper, offered him a shed load of money, provided a top of the range rifle with all serial numbers and means of connecting it to the assassin removed. They’d have found him a room in a high building with an escape car waiting out back (there was no rule that Kennedy had to be killed in Dallas btw). Thirty seconds after Kennedy was dead he’d have been driven away in a waiting car (connected to no one) to a plane waiting somewhere. Gone for good with no trace with a suitcase full of money. (Or, as Bugliosi suggested, buried in the desert somewhere with a bullet through his brain) But no, we get Oswald wandering around Dallas like a headless chicken. On a bus, off a bus, in a taxi. He goes back to his room, picks up a pistol, kills Tippit, acts suspiciously near the cinema and gets caught inside. With our conspirators going happily about their business unconcerned that their ‘killer’ is now roaming around acting suspiciously, free to spill his guts to the police when he’s arrested. Why do some think that this isn’t a problem? Why do they equate its seriousness with the possibility of a wedding car breaking down or the cake having strawberry instead of raspberry jam in it? Oswald is even allowed to speak in front of the TV cameras! Could things be less believable?
And let’s remember the time. Look at the relationship with the Soviet Union. Bay of Pigs etc. The world in fear of nuclear conflict and these genius plotters pick a guy who defected to the Soviet Union! This is just a killer blow. How could they not have been ‘concerned’ to put it mildly. Oswald had already blabbed on TV about the Soviet Union so it couldn’t be hidden. So they would now have serious people, politicians etc suggesting that the Russians might have killed Kennedy. The plotters couldn’t have been unaware of this eventuality so why risk it when they had absolutely no reason to because they could have chosen an ‘assassin’ who wasn’t a defector? How can this be defended?
Remember, this is a guy who tried to kill Governor Walker, a guy who had to be locked in a room by Marina because he’d previously taken up his gun and was going to go out and shoot Nixon. This is a guy with anger issues who regularly hit Marina. A guy who moved from job to job. A guy who was a known liar? A guy who was described by people who knew him as the kind of guy who felt that he’d never received the rewards that his ‘talents’ deserved. What is it about this man that any member of cabal of high level plotters would have said “yes I agree, it has to be Oswald, only he can be trusted upon to carry this off.”
These are the things that need to be considered but what usually happens is that someone says “yes but what about the trajectory of the bullet that….blah, blah.” We all know that every single aspect of this case has at least 2 ‘explanations’ because people have spent 60 years trying to find ever more imaginative ways of casting doubt on everything. We see it in the ripper case of course but we have to multiply this by 500 in the assassination such is the complexity of the case and the massive number of people involved. This is why debate has gone on and on and on for 60 years of attempts to make every little discrepancy or error or difference of opinion appear as evidence of a plot. All that we have to do is to look at the bigger picture with common sense and it’s easy. Absolutely no one outside of a padded cell would have chosen Lee Harvey Oswald for anything, let alone the assassination of the world’s most powerful man. No one would have undertaken such a Keystone Cops plan which was totally reliant on luck. They apparently spent ages with false Oswald’s, Post Office boxes, false names, planted prints, faked photos, faked autopsy photos etc and yet they couldn’t manage having a car waiting to get their boy away from the scene. No way. Not a chance.
Oswald was a lone assassin.
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