JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[Fiver]

Surely Oswald could not have got the shots off in time.

CBS News proved it could be done in 1967.

Why did he not shoot when he was heading towards him?

It would have been a harder shot due to the steeper downward angle and it would have been easier for the Secret Service to spot him and return fire.

What about the magic bullet?

It's not magic. People try to make it impossible by not showing the bullet end on and by ignoring the actual positions of JFK and Connally. Modern forensics experts have repeatedly shown that it doesn't require magic.

Faking the bullet fragments would require that the autopsy doctors be part of the Conspiracy, but Jackie Kennedy choose where the autopsy was done.

[chubbs]

Next they'll be trying to convince us that Trump wasn't shot dead at Butler Farm last year - and that the bloke who stood up with a bit of fake blood on his ear wasn't the body double, when we all know what's REALLY going on. We're not stupid.

[Fiver]

That might have been the plan, however you would need to have Oswald on the same floor as the rifle for it to work. LHO, in what fragments of his police statement have emerged, made a strong case for his being in the lunch room at around 12.20. So if he was still there at 12.30 you could hardly walk in and dispatch him.

So you're saying the Conspiracy completely ignored an essential part of their plan? How did these incompetent bumblers pull it off?

Framing a patsy requires that the patsy have no alibi. Any competent conspiracy would have to lure Oswald to the 6th floor before the shooting and keep everyone else off of the 6th floor. Luring might be possible, but how could they guarantee no one saw the Lure with Oswald? And how do they keep other people from accidentally walking in during events? How do they keep anyone inside or outside the Book Depository from noticing the 5 or 6 man team of Conspirators entering or leaving the building?

Even then there are serious problems. Faking a suicide shot via rifle is not so easy.

Oswald owned a pistol.

And using the logic of Shakespeare's Macbeth: if killing a national leader looks suspicious when it happens under the protection of his successor, then that applies x2 when the alleged assassin is killed in the immediate aftermath.

A competent Conspiracy would want a dead Oswald lying next to the rifle. But Oswald was not killed in the immediate aftermath. He wasn't even killed when he tried to shoot the police that arrested him for JD Tippet's murder. Oswald was arrested before 2pm on Friday and killed shortly after 11am on Sunday. That's nearly two full days later and Oswald was allowed to talk to the press during that time.

If there was a Conspiracy, they were a pack of bumbling idiots.

[Pcdunn]

https://nypost.com/2025/02/11/us-news/luna-to-lead-new-federal-secrets-task-force-on-jfk-assassination/

The intial report I read about her involvement phrased it as she wanted to reinterview the Warren Commission and all witnesses involved in the JFK death inquiry. She was immediately criticized for apparently not knowing all (most?) original witnesses and participants are deceased.
i quipped that maybe she wanted to call in the cast of Oliver Stone's film "JFK" (not that it would help, lol.)
Anyway, beware of the New York Post (pretty much a tabloid). But this is the newest info on the JFK investigation from the States.

[C. F. Leon]

There's no way LHO got off 3 shots like that.

...

He doesn't NEED to get THREE shots off in the time. He needs to get TWO shots off. The timing STARTS with the FIRST shot, with the round already in the chamber.

It goes like this:

* BANG #1- timer starts
tick, tick
* BANG #2
tick, tick
* Bang #3- timer stops

[cobalt]

So you're saying the Conspiracy completely ignored an essential part of their plan? How did these incompetent bumblers pull it off?

No, you are. It was not essential to kill Oswald in the immediate aftermath as events proved. Preferably yes; but not essentially.

Framing a patsy requires that the patsy have no alibi. Any competent conspiracy would have to lure Oswald to the 6th floor before the shooting and keep everyone else off of the 6th floor. Luring might be possible, but how could they guarantee no one saw the Lure with Oswald? And how do they keep other people from accidentally walking in during events? How do they keep anyone inside or outside the Book Depository from noticing the 5 or 6 man team of Conspirators entering or leaving the building?

Ideally, yes. But Oswald was connected to the 6th floor through his work duties and also the rifle through a mail order, so that was good enough. Especially once he was executed. The number of conspirators within the TSBD is unknown, so the estimate of five or six figure is merely off the top of your head.

'Even then there are serious problems. Faking a suicide shot via rifle is not so easy.'
Oswald owned a pistol

He had access to one but whether he actually owned one is debated. There is no evidence that he possessed a pistol at the time of the assassination.

A competent Conspiracy would want a dead Oswald lying next to the rifle. But Oswald was not killed in the immediate aftermath. He wasn't even killed when he tried to shoot the police that arrested him for JD Tippet's murder. Oswald was arrested before 2pm on Friday and killed shortly after 11am on Sunday. That's nearly two full days later and Oswald was allowed to talk to the press during that time.

To tell the media what exactly? Since he was not part of the conspiracy LHO had little to offer bar his CIA connections which went back to his time in Belarus. That fake defector line would hardly have bolstered his credibility nor eased his predicament inside the Dallas jail. BTW, the claim that LHO attempted to shoot the police when massively outnumbered relies upon police testimony alone. I am not aware if any cinema patrons who have given testimony to support it.

If there was a Conspiracy, they were a pack of bumbling idiots.

History suggests otherwise.

[FISHY1118]

I'm not going back and reading 178 pages, well not today. What is the consensus here? Lone shooter or conspiracy?

Well it would be good if you did, then you would see for yourself and make up your own mind . If you do one thing only, at least watch JFK revisited, "Through the looking glass" It will blow you away [pardon the pun]


Your question should read.... 'The Warren Commission Conspiracy or Mulitple Shooter planned event ''?

Everything the Warren Commission said happen is a direct contradiction to hundreds of eyewitness and Expert medical testimony at the time ,and in these 178 pages many posters have pointed such evidence that supports that fact .


Ones things for sure ,the current .U.S Administration is going to show the world what many have known for decades, and i for one cant wait until the truth finally come to light.That the biggest coverup and political assassination in history was carried out by high ranking goverment officals and agencies for there own political gain .

Why else would the JFK files be hidden away from the public for 62 years under the guise of ''National Security Reasons''

If LHO Was the just a crack nut job and acted entirely on his own as per the W.C , please someboby tell what possible threat there could be for 63 years !!!!!!!

[Fiver]

Ideally, yes. But Oswald was connected to the 6th floor through his work duties and also the rifle through a mail order, so that was good enough. Especially once he was executed. The number of conspirators within the TSBD is unknown, so the estimate of five or six figure is merely off the top of your head.

My estimate is based on a shooter, at least one to guard the elevators, at least one to guard the stairs, at least one to plant evidence, and one to lure Oswald to the 6th floor. They'd probably want a driver as well, but he wouldn't have to sneak in and out of the Book Depository undetected.

Because leaving the patsy to roam free is an act of utter stupidity by the Conspiracy. They have no way of ensuring he doesn't wander outside where he could be seen by dozens and appear in multiple photos.

He had access to one but whether he actually owned one is debated. There is no evidence that he possessed a pistol at the time of the assassination.

Oswald tried to shoot the arresting officers with the pistol he was carrying. It had been shipped to him by Seaport Traders, Inc on March 13, months before JFK decided to go to Dallas.

To tell the media what exactly? Since he was not part of the conspiracy LHO had little to offer bar his CIA connections which went back to his time in Belarus. That fake defector line would hardly have bolstered his credibility nor eased his predicament inside the Dallas jail. BTW, the claim that LHO attempted to shoot the police when massively outnumbered relies upon police testimony alone. I am not aware if any cinema patrons who have given testimony to support it.

If Oswald didn't have a gun at the theater and try to use it, then everyone present had to be a part of the Conspiracy - roughly two dozen patrons, at least half-a-dozen police, an FBI agent, and shoe store manager Johnny Brewer.

Or the Conspiracy could have left Oswald on the 6th floor of the Book Depository, dead of a single "self-inflicted" pistol shot.

That's what a competent Conspiracy would have done.

[Lewis C]

IIRC, there were about 12 witnesses that either saw Oswald kill Officer Tippett or saw him run from the scene. So it can hardly be argued that he didn't kill Tippett. Surely someone wouldn't kill a policeman unless he was trying to escape from having committed a serious crime. In fact, Oswald is unlikely to have even left the SBD if he was innocent.