JFK Assassination Documents to be released this year

[GBinOz]

Another fascinating fact George, it was always a stumblig block that couldnt be ignored as to the Cancarno full metal jacket v hollow point bullet effect ,glad you bought it up .

When people dont know or understand what their looking at, they tend to believe what ever there told and shown ,its a typical ploy and unfortunate all to familier trait of the JFK Apoligist way of thinking .

Yes i know i cheerleading again , but why not , theres a lot to cheer about

Hi Fishy,

The instant experts who no nothing about ballistics? I think I know who you mean.

Cheers, George

[FISHY1118]

Another Eyewitness to add to the list that directly contadicted the Warren Commission report .

Therefor, yes folks you guessed it !!!


1. W.E. Newman must have Jnr lied

2. W.E. Newman Jnr must be was mistaken

3. W.E. Newman Jnr was a complete and utter idiot [ Just like Audrey bell, and Gov Connally]

4 .W.E. Newman Jnr never existed ,

''Lone Gunman Theorist'' Answers Yes , Yes ,Yes, Yes

[FISHY1118]

Is it just me or is there a patten forming here of people who were [in this case 12 feet away from the President when he was shot ] closest to, and saw Physical Evidence that directly contradicts the W.C junk , who where actually shot themselves in the process, that all must be ..... See all the above 1,2,3,4


A BUNCH OF COMPLETE AND UTTER IDIOTS AND MORONS .

[GBinOz]

Is it just me or is there a patten forming here of people who were [in this case 12 feet away from the President when he was shot ] closest to, and saw Physical Evidence that directly contradicts the W.C junk , who where actually shot themselves in the process, that all must be ..... See all the above 1,2,3,4

Oh, an easy question. The pattern was to just ignore them. No need to even claim that they were mistaken as they weren't called to give evidence before the WC.

[FISHY1118]

Oh, an easy question. The pattern was to just ignore them. No need to even claim that they were mistaken as they weren't called to give evidence before the WC.

[Aethelwulf]

So its not enough to believe in a conspiracy and show evidence that one was perpretated,

You want them to solved the murder and arrest everyone involved otherwise in the minds of the apologist theres nothing to see here ? Is that it?

No other gunman identified and no knowledge of the conspiracy or could have been involved = no evidence of conspiracy

[FISHY1118]

No other gunman identified and no knowledge of the conspiracy or could have been involved = no evidence of conspiracy

But evidence of a 2nd shooter = conspiracy does it not.?

[Doctored Whatsit]

But evidence of a 2nd shooter = conspiracy does it not.?

Obviously not! A suggestion that there might have been a second gunman, is a suggestion that there might have been a second gunman. That is all. It does not prove, nor is it even evidence that two gunmen conspired together. If there was a second gunman, there is not a hint of evidence that he was not acting alone.

[Herlock Sholmes]

''ll first apologise for the length of this post but it’s a complex subject that has been manipulated by conspiracy theorist over the years to the point where complete fantasy and blatant manipulation have been accepted as ‘fact.


Should read ''Manipulated by the Warren Commission Novel over the years to the point where complete fantasy and blatant manipulation have been accepted as ‘fact.

You see Herlock, what you fail to understand is all the Evidence thats been produced on this topic by George and myself and others has shown to prove and contradict the Warren Commissiond findings on pretty much most the above. You wasted so much time for nothing, because imo you ignore and are quite possibly blinded by an obvious lack of knowledge and understanding of what was actually happening in the political area during that time .

Typical of your blinkered and childish approach Fishy. Just as you (and George) haven’t read anything on the case that wasn't written by a conspiracy theorist you can’t even be bothered to read a post properly. You just spout the same tired old script. I mean “pretty much most of the above.” The ‘above’ isn’t based on Warren Commission findings. You’ve just seen the words “Warren Commission” and fallen into the usual tired old spiel about the Commission being corrupt.

To dispute the above you have to get past the absolute certainty of the 3 pathologists at Bethesda and the 14 other pathologists at the 3 subsequent pathologists at 3 separate enquiries all of which took place separately and over a period of 15 years. Ludicrous. Nothing but a joke.

Thats why you,ve accepted the official findings, because its easy when you have no reason to doubt it . Youll probably say ''how would you know what my knowledge and understanding is fishy ? to which i can only answer, i cant see any other logical reason why you believe the official version by the .w.c [ yes i think i know what your response will be so post it anyway] .

Thats not the question that I’d ask at all Fishy. What I’d ask: “What qualifies you, or any other conspiracy theorist, to question the unequivocal conclusions of 17 fully qualified, experience pathologists. 3 of who closely examined the actual wounds at the time, whilst the other 14 studied the x-rays, the autopsy photographs and the Presidents clothing? And this list of pathologists also includes Cyril Wecht, who is a doyen of the conspiracy theorists?” These are the opinions that count.

And that is Exactly why it was easy for the world to swallow the garbage report by the WC because the majority of the mass population had no idea what was going on in the world, or just couldnt be bothered to learn .

And what have you learned about the technical issues that pathologists use to analyse wounds, like Beveling, like an abrasion collar, like coagulation necrosis of the tissue? Just one of these is enough to detect the direction of the bullet but in the case of Kennedy we have all three! And all 3 prove conclusively that the 2 shots came from behind. Parrot “Warren Commission” all you like, these were pathologists, not Warren Commissioners.


''They concluded absolutely unanimously and with not a shred of doubt that Kennedy was hit by two bullets and both were fired from the upper right rear.''

Only in a world when it is made to look like that . Which is what happened the second the secret service took kennedys body from Dallas , A bit above your pay grade as to what happen after that .

How can the evidence be made to look like anything? Evidence is evidence. The x-rays are a fact. The autopsy photos are a fact. The 17 pathologists all existed and were in no way connected to the Warren Commission. Please stop saying silly things Fishy. You’re not even helping your own lost cause.


'' When it doesnt agree with experiment its wrong'' . Insert ''magic bullet here .

So basically you’re saying: “if it doesn’t fit with the conspiracy theory it must be wrong.”

So go on then, rant on '' why would they do this and that , and dont forget about the curtain rods AND best of all tell us again how much of an idiot Audrey Bell was , i love that bit , and Gov , Connally, LBJ , W.C members who called bull..... on the magic bullet.

And on with the script. Good old Super Nurse Bell is wheeled out yet again. The three qualified pathologists who minutely examined the wounds were wrong. The 14 subsequent pathologists, over a 15 year period (including star conspiracy theorist hero Cyril Wecht) were all wrong or lying. The x-rays and autopsy photos are also wrong. And yet a Nurse who played almost no part in the autopsy apart from passing things, carrying things away and possible mopping the odd brow, and who might or might not have seen some minute bullet fragments with the naked eye couldn’t have been wrong? Even qualified doctors who thought that they saw cerebellum but were shown to have been wrong (which most admitted) but Super Nurse Bell’s evidence disproves absolutely every iota of medical evidence.

You should try visiting earth some day Fishy. It’s ok here.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Just a few witnesses.

Really George? Largely civilians.Then, Bell - just a Nurse. McClelland- forced to back down and admit that he was wrong about the position of the wound. Carrico - said that ‘absolutely’ he and other doctors could have been wrong given the circumstances. Crenshaw - a loony who another Doctor (I can find out which one) could barely remember being in the room.

And you put this hopeless crew up against the three autopsy pathologists who specific job was to analyse the wounds (they didn’t have just 22 minutes with the body 100% focused on life saving) and the 14 subsequent ones (including conspiracy theorist Cyril Wecht.”)

Honestly George, you just can’t be serious on this matter.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I ploughed through HS's article but it starts to verge on semantics for me as a non medical person. I have no more knowledge of ballistics either.

But my visual interpretation of the Zapruder film is of a shot hitting Kennedy from behind in his back. It's interesting that Mrs Newman who was close to that shot thought the noise was from a firecracker and as she put it (on the day of the assassination) when Kennedy started upright in his seat she thought he was 'going along with the gag.' That form of words speaks to the warm atmosphere of the day and her innocence. She thought it was all part of the motor parade and Kennedy joining in the fun pretending to have been shot.

The lethal shot was described by her husband as like JFK being hit by a baseball bat. It knocked JFK back across his seat such was the power and I cannot see how that power could have been generated from a Carcano rifle over 80 yards to the rear.

The magic bullet cut cleanly through Kennedy and Connally we are told. But the shot to the head exploded inside the cranium of JFK. It must have been a dum dum bullet surely, completely different to the earlier shots? Some witnesses have described a different sound.

You don’t need medical knowledge Cobalt. 17 pathologists stated that it was an absolutely proven fact, that it can’t have been otherwise, that the 2 shots came from behind. That should be end of story. It’s that black and white. Three incontrovertible criteria, beveling, an abrasion collar and coagulation necrosis of the tissues.

I forgot to add two other things. If the shots had been from the side (the Grassy Knoll) the x-rays would have traced the path of the bullet from the right of Kennedy’s head to the left. It’s simple. But they don’t, they show back to front, shot from the rear.

Also there’s the blood spray from Kennedy’s head. It’s goes forward. Shot from the rear. There couldn’t be more proof that the shots came from the rear but over the years conspiracy theorists have jumped on a few mistaken doctors at Parkland who weren’t analysing wounds but were trying in vain to save the Presidents life and they only had 22 minutes with him. Many of whom admitted error.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Hi cobalt,

You have stated the fact which over rides all the verbosity and pseudo knowledge. I have 50 years of ballistics knowledge and have hand loaded tens of thousands of cartridges for rifles, shotguns and hand guns, so I can say, with all due modesty, that I know far more on the subject than Bugliosi or his....vent figure.

The Carcano is a military rifle and uses full metal jacketed projectiles designed to pass through flesh. On contact with bone the nose crushes and deforms, but it does not explode. One of the preferred rounds for an assassin is a sub sonic hollow point or mercury fulminate projectile. They are designed to be below the speed of sound (1100 feet per second) and so don't create the sonic crack of a rifle round. They also lend themselves to the use of a silencer. The difference in sound to an observer will be like the difference between a rifle and a 38 revolver, which is the description given by witnesses. After contact with a skull the projectile fragments and takes with it, in the direction of motion, soft (brain) tissue and skull fragment. This all happens in a small fraction of a second before the nervous system can react to defy Newton's laws of momentum. This is why there were brain fragments and bone fragments on the left side of the follow vehicle, and the two motorcycles escorts on the left side, and on the grass on the left side, but none on the right side. This is all physics, not speculations and "why woulds".

The proponents of the magic bullet would have us believe that it hit two rib bones and a wrist bone without the slightest flattening of the nose, but when an identical projectile hit JFK in the head it suddenly became an explosive round. Shouting, stamping the feet and waving the arms are the usual accompaniments of an apocryphal argument.

Cheers, George

What arrogance!

You might or might not know more about Bugliosi on ballistics but, a) you don’t know more than the qualified ballistics experts, many of whom did this as their job, who absolutely disagree with your opinion. And b) you don’t know more than the 17 pathologists who conclusive proved that the 2 shots came from behind.

[Herlock Sholmes]

W.E. Newman Jnr, the man closest to JFK when the head shot was made (about 12 feet), showing where the bullet hit the President. He said it came from the grassy knoll. But why listen to him. We'll just take the testimony of people who weren't even there.

Cheers, George

Utterly pathetic George. A man who saw the shots at a split second in the most traumatic experience of his life when his very first thought was the safety of his kids!

ILL KEEP SAYING IT - 17 QUALIFIED PATHOLOGISTS (INCLUDING CYRIL WECHT) ALL STATED UNEQUIVOCALLY AFTER ANALYSING THE EVIDENCE THAT THE TWO SHOTS THAT HIT KENNEDY CAME FROM THE FRONT.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Hi Fishy,

The instant experts who no nothing about ballistics? I think I know who you mean.

Cheers, George

Unlike you George, I’ve never claimed to know a single thing about ballistics. But I can read. And there are experts, men for whom ballistics was their profession, who disagree with your assessment. So forgive me if I don’t treat you as the Oracle that you clearly wish to be seen as.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Another Eyewitness to add to the list that directly contadicted the Warren Commission report .

Therefor, yes folks you guessed it !!!


1. W.E. Newman must have Jnr lied

2. W.E. Newman Jnr must be was mistaken

3. W.E. Newman Jnr was a complete and utter idiot [ Just like Audrey bell, and Gov Connally]

4 .W.E. Newman Jnr never existed ,

''Lone Gunman Theorist'' Answers Yes , Yes ,Yes, Yes

Dr. Humes, qualified pathologist

1. Must have lied.

2. Must have been mistaken.

3. Must have been an idiot.

4 Never existed.

Dr, Thornton Boswell, qualified pathologist.

1. Must have lied.

2. Must have been mistaken.

3. Must have been an idiot.

4. Never existed.

Dr. Pierre Finck, qualified Pathologist.

1. Must have lied.

2. Must have been mistaken.

3. Must have been an idiot.

4. Never existed.

Dr. Cyril Wecht, qualified pathologists and conspiracy theorist

1. Must have lied.

2. Must have been mistaken.

3. Must have been an idiot.

4. Never existed.

Ill do the last one as one shall I?

The 14 fully qualified pathologists.

1. Must have lied.

2. Must have been mistaken

3. Must have been an idiot.

4. Never existed.


I can play the same stupid little games as you Fishy, only with a much better quality of witness.