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  • Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post

    No you won't, because
    we have tried, but your incapable of any understanding of fact from fiction in relation to the JFK assassination.

    So you just keep believing the WC rubbish like the rest of masses and we'll know like the rest, you too have been hoodwinked
    A very illuminating comment Fishy. It perfectly illustrates the conspiracy theory mentality. You disparage those that don’t believe in conspiracy as “…the rest of the masses.” Those poor, dumb average people who just don’t see what geniuses like you can see. It’s a textbook trait of conspiracy theorists ( and some serial killers for that matter.)

    Thanks for making that comment Fishy because if I’d have suggested it you would have insisted that this was not how you thought. You did it for me.
    Regards

    Sir Herlock Sholmes.

    “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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    • Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post

      On the jfk assassination they are.
      thats obvious.
      Now then Fishy, not smarter, just more experienced than some in certain areas, such as ballistics. But then again, perhaps I am doing Bugliosi an injustice. He went through Law College on a tennis scholarship, so maybe he had a bullet like serve?

      It seems a little ironic that you should be accused of trashing reputations by some one who has character assassinations in many of his posts. Please try not to put to much pressure on that single brain cell. . See you at the next "serial killer" meeting.

      Cheers, George
      They are not long, the days of wine and roses:
      Out of a misty dream
      Our path emerges for a while, then closes
      Within a dream.
      Ernest Dowson - Vitae Summa Brevis​

      ​Disagreeing doesn't have to be disagreeable - Jeff Hamm

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      • Originally posted by Doctored Whatsit View Post

        Hi George,

        Humes explained that the doctors were commenting as they worked on the autopsy, and their comments were recorded. Because they could not find the exit wound, it being hidden by the tracheotomy, they debated what might have happened to the bullet as they worked. Hoover may have told LBJ of this, but it wasn't a Bethesda announcement as you suggest, it was part of a recorded conversation fairly early in the autopsy, and was not a conclusion. As you are aware, Humes talked to the Parkland doctors about the exit wound before completing his final report.
        You're right Doc. I worded that badly. As I said earlier, IMO a bullet falling out of JFK's back would look far more like the magic bullet. Are you aware that Hume said he burned his final report after made a copy (I would hope it was after). He said the original had the President's blood on it. Apparently this is considered and offence under US law.

        Cheers, George
        They are not long, the days of wine and roses:
        Out of a misty dream
        Our path emerges for a while, then closes
        Within a dream.
        Ernest Dowson - Vitae Summa Brevis​

        ​Disagreeing doesn't have to be disagreeable - Jeff Hamm

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        • Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

          i beleive this is a well known and confirmed photo of kennedys head taken by doctor. Kennedy did not have half his head blown off, the wound from the head shot was on the upper right side (if viewed from behind) of the skull with some of the skull parts blown off but alot still attached by skin flaps. there was also a small bullet hole (apparently the entrance wound) in the back of the head.

          if it is indeed an entrance wound then that is strong argument that the fatal head shot came from behind, but of course dosnt preclude the possibility of two head shots one from behind and one from the front/side, although imho zapruder seems to show kennedy being struck only twice, one through the back/neck and then the fatal head shot. which imho from zapruder does look like it comes from the front/side, contrary to all the evidence that indicates a fatal head shot from behind.and yes it is a conondrum for me i admit, especially agter talking to many experienced shooters who say the same..that is that if he was hit from behind in the head he would have jerked forward, not back, and that it would be just as unlikely that a skull part would have been blown backwards.
          Hi Abby,

          I'll include my reply to your #792 here. It is refreshing to see a poster with an open mind who checks the ballistics information that I post with others experienced in this field.

          I'm guessing that you may have already watched Josiah Thompson's video, JFK Unsolved: The Real Conspiracies | Full Documentary here:
          The assassination of President John F. Kennedy remains the greatest American murder mystery, decades after the official report declared Lee Harvey Oswald as ...


          He sets out a theory based on the latest HDZP/Acoustics information and concludes that there was a second head shot which came from the rear. This is consistent with the eye witness testimony of Hill and Moorman, who both said there was a shot after the kill shot from the grassy knoll. If the second head shot was a fully jacketed carcano projectile it would have produced a hole, but not the explosion that is seen in the first head shot. The Harper fragment and another large skull fragment were both found to the left of the vehicle, and Jackie retrieved another fragment from the lid of the trunk. It was the motorcycle escorts on the left that were spattered with bone and brain matter. The motorcycle escorts on the right had none on them.

          The has been a mountain of classified documents released, with more to come, and it will take years for researchers to wade through. Already we know that Oswald was trained by the CIA. He did not defect but was sent to Russia on a mission, as were many other operatives. We also now know that evidence points to him being impersonated in Mexico. I think that as time passes, more and more "conspiracy theories" will be vindicated.

          Cheers, George
          They are not long, the days of wine and roses:
          Out of a misty dream
          Our path emerges for a while, then closes
          Within a dream.
          Ernest Dowson - Vitae Summa Brevis​

          ​Disagreeing doesn't have to be disagreeable - Jeff Hamm

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          • Here is the Klein's advertisement for the rifle ordered by and sent to A. Hiddel. Note the rings underneath that are designed for the attachment of a sling.

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            Here is the backyard photo of Oswald showing the rifle. The sling ring is in the same place. Must be the rifle ordered by A Hiddel. More proof that the photo is genuine? Pretty flimsy sling that he's attached (what a cheapskate).

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            Hold on a moment. This is the official photo of the weapon found in the TCBD. It has the sling rings on the side, with the ring on the stock having actually been let into the timber. That is a top grade expensive military sling.

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            And here it is being carried from the building.

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            How can this be? Is the backyard shot a fake? Was A Hiddel sent a different rifle to that which he ordered? Was the rifle found in the TSBD a different rifle to that shown in the backyard photo.

            All official photographs, no speculation or "How coulds". I'm expecting some creative ducking and weaving here, probably involving curtain rods.

            In the mean time, have a look at the various published photos of the offending weapon's serial number:

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            Last edited by GBinOz; 02-27-2023, 01:37 AM.
            They are not long, the days of wine and roses:
            Out of a misty dream
            Our path emerges for a while, then closes
            Within a dream.
            Ernest Dowson - Vitae Summa Brevis​

            ​Disagreeing doesn't have to be disagreeable - Jeff Hamm

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            • Here is the rifle that used a through the stock sling mount. It is the Mauser 98K 7.62. There were 26 models produced under the name Mauser between 1934 and 1945. Remember, Deputy Sherriff Roger Craig identified the gun on the 6th floor of the TSBD as a Mauser 7.62 saying he saw the stamp on the barrel. Can someone come up with a photo of even one Carcano with a through the stock sling mount?

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              Last edited by GBinOz; 02-27-2023, 06:09 AM.
              They are not long, the days of wine and roses:
              Out of a misty dream
              Our path emerges for a while, then closes
              Within a dream.
              Ernest Dowson - Vitae Summa Brevis​

              ​Disagreeing doesn't have to be disagreeable - Jeff Hamm

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              • Here in a interview with Roger Craig. He says the Mauser was 7.65 calibre (my error in my previous post). With the number of variations of this rifle, a slight variation of statement of calibre would not be of concern. For two days it was accepted that the rifle was a Mauser.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TLH...ogerCraigStory
                Last edited by GBinOz; 02-27-2023, 07:02 AM.
                They are not long, the days of wine and roses:
                Out of a misty dream
                Our path emerges for a while, then closes
                Within a dream.
                Ernest Dowson - Vitae Summa Brevis​

                ​Disagreeing doesn't have to be disagreeable - Jeff Hamm

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                • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

                  A very illuminating comment Fishy. It perfectly illustrates the conspiracy theory mentality. You disparage those that don’t believe in conspiracy as “…the rest of the masses.” Those poor, dumb average people who just don’t see what geniuses like you can see. It’s a textbook trait of conspiracy theorists ( and some serial killers for that matter.)

                  Thanks for making that comment Fishy because if I’d have suggested it you would have insisted that this was not how you thought. You did it for me.
                  No you didn't it to yourself , as always . you've seen the facts but choosen the lie . The W.C was written for people just like you .

                  'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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                  • Originally posted by GBinOz View Post
                    Here is the rifle that used a through the stock sling mount. It is the Mauser 98K 7.62. There were 26 models produced under the name Mauser between 1934 and 1945. Remember, Deputy Sherriff Roger Craig identified the gun on the 6th floor of the TSBD as a Mauser 7.62 saying he saw the stamp on the barrel. Can someone come up with a photo of even one Carcano with a through the stock sling mount?

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                    Deputy sheriff Roger Craig .

                    1 .lied

                    2. Was mistaken.

                    3 never existed


                    4 was a complete and utter idiot and moron .


                    Standard answer please lone gunman apologist .

                    Yes,yes yes yes

                    Gee with all these idiots that were
                    there and saw with their own eyes , even one that was shot on the day!!!! And yet we have people 60 years later who weren't even born tell us they are morons and idiots . Shameful really.
                    'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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                    • Originally posted by gbinoz View Post
                      the mauser was 7.92 calibre
                      fify.

                      My name is Dave. You cannot reach me through Debs email account

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                      • Originally posted by GBinOz View Post
                        Here is the Klein's advertisement for the rifle ordered by and sent to A. Hiddel. Note the rings underneath that are designed for the attachment of a sling.

                        Click image for larger version Name:	KleinsAd1963-2.jpg Views:	0 Size:	6.6 KB ID:	804836

                        Here is the backyard photo of Oswald showing the rifle. The sling ring is in the same place. Must be the rifle ordered by A Hiddel. More proof that the photo is genuine? Pretty flimsy sling that he's attached (what a cheapskate).

                        Click image for larger version Name:	Photo-1.jpg Views:	0 Size:	31.4 KB ID:	804837

                        Hold on a moment. This is the official photo of the weapon found in the TCBD. It has the sling rings on the side, with the ring on the stock having actually been let into the timber. That is a top grade expensive military sling.

                        Click image for larger version Name:	Photo-3.jpg Views:	0 Size:	191.2 KB ID:	804838

                        And here it is being carried from the building.

                        Click image for larger version Name:	Rifle-3a.jpg Views:	0 Size:	90.4 KB ID:	804839

                        How can this be? Is the backyard shot a fake? Was A Hiddel sent a different rifle to that which he ordered? Was the rifle found in the TSBD a different rifle to that shown in the backyard photo.

                        All official photographs, no speculation or "How coulds". I'm expecting some creative ducking and weaving here, probably involving curtain rods.

                        In the mean time, have a look at the various published photos of the offending weapon's serial number:

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                        Ducking and weaving are their hallmarks George, especially when they can't accept the evidence and the facts.


                        Oh and yes curtain rods will be on the lone gunman apologist menu for sure . Oops im cheerleading again ,
                        Last edited by FISHY1118; 02-27-2023, 07:38 AM.
                        'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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                        • Originally posted by GBinOz View Post

                          You're right Doc. I worded that badly. As I said earlier, IMO a bullet falling out of JFK's back would look far more like the magic bullet. Are you aware that Hume said he burned his final report after made a copy (I would hope it was after). He said the original had the President's blood on it. Apparently this is considered and offence under US law.

                          Cheers, George
                          Hi George,

                          Yes, I am aware that Humes burned his initial notes, saying that they were covered in the President's blood, after making a careful copy of their contents. He claimed that he didn't want some ghoulish souvenir hunter getting his hands on them, apparently. He certainly should not have done that. It created the potential for a cover-up, or was a cover-up, as well as being a breach of proper procedure.

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                          • Originally posted by GBinOz View Post
                            Here is the rifle that used a through the stock sling mount. It is the Mauser 98K 7.62. There were 26 models produced under the name Mauser between 1934 and 1945. Remember, Deputy Sherriff Roger Craig identified the gun on the 6th floor of the TSBD as a Mauser 7.62 saying he saw the stamp on the barrel. Can someone come up with a photo of even one Carcano with a through the stock sling mount?
                            That's A rifle with a through the stock sling mount, far from the only one. Here are four Carcano rifles with the same set-up.

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                            Second one down is the M91/38 model found in the TSBD. The one below that is the model featured in the advert.

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                            • And what would this say about our ‘conspirators’? People who were in a position to control, the Police, the Secret Service, the CIA, the Military, the medical profession and the Warren Commission. People who could go to the lengths of falsifying fingerprints, falsifying purchase orders for rifle and revolver including forging Oswald’s handwriting and faking the backyard photos. Then they faked an autopsy including faking x-rays and photographs. They brilliantly co-ordinated it so that Oswald was in position to be mistakenly identified as the killer of a police officer. And I’m only scratching the surface as to the extent of their influence and control.

                              And these people left the wrong type of rifle on the 6th floor going on to display two different rifles to the entire world (in a country of gun owners and gun experts) and just hoped that no one would notice?

                              I think we can safely leave this tosh we’re it belongs….in the Conspiracy Theorist Book of Exciting Fairy Stories.
                              Regards

                              Sir Herlock Sholmes.

                              “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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                              • A good example of CT thinking and how are quite happy to factor in gross stupidity to their claims is in regard to the 2 women on the stairs in the TSBD, Sandra Styles and Victoria Adams (Adams got a brief mention at the time but only came forward 40+ years later because, you guessed it - the favourite claim of dodgy witnesses, she was in fear of her life…..despite there being a huge conspiracy industry running for years.) They allegedly came down the same stairs that Oswald would have used after the shots were fired. They neither saw Oswald or heard anyone on the stairs. Notwithstanding the very obvious point of a potential difference of a few seconds in timing between them and Oswald it also neglects to explain how a mystery gunman could have escaped? How much more important would it have been for him to get out of there asap? Unlike Oswald he had no legitimate business for being in a building which, for all that he’d known, might have been swarming with police officers at any time.


                                This also raises an obvious point. Why would plotters have placed a man in such a position? On the 6th floor of a building where it would have been almost impossible to have escaped unseen.
                                Regards

                                Sir Herlock Sholmes.

                                “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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