Possible explanation for Maxwell Discrepency?

[spyglass]

Hi Spyglass,

Well, based on what happened with the latter Austin murder, also in Dorset Street and involving mutilations, I'm certainly not ruling out a conspiracy! By the way, a transcript of the inquest of that case is available on this site. It's frankly hillarious, as a number of witnesses clearly lied, with the inquest at times virtually degenerating into farce!

Hi JohnG
I know the word " conspiracy " is often frowned upon on here, however conspiracy 's at high levels do happen, Hillsborough to name a recent one.
But in all aspects of the this case, and with so many red herrings thrown about, at least the phrase "cover up " holds true to me.

Regards.

[John G]

Hi John,
Ha!...you said it.

Hi Spyglass,

Well, based on what happened with the latter Austin murder, also in Dorset Street and involving mutilations, I'm certainly not ruling out a conspiracy! By the way, a transcript of the inquest of that case is available on this site. It's frankly hillarious, as a number of witnesses clearly lied, with the inquest at times virtually degenerating into farce!

[spyglass]

Yes, but by her own testimony she had only spoken to Kelly once or twice during this period, which implies that she seriously exaggerated how well she knew, and was able to recognize, the victim. In fact, even the coroner questioned why they would be on first name terms- Maxwell claimed that Kelly referred to her as Carrie-based upon such a casual acquaintance.

Maurice Lewis claimed that he saw Kelly in the Ringers (Britannia), at 10:00am, and that she was drinking with some other people. This is extraordinary considering no one else recalled seeing her in the pub at that time, let alone conversing with her. Therefore, if Lewis is correct we must surely be dealing with a major conspiracy/cover-up.

Hi John,
Ha!...you said it.

[John G]

Yes, but by her own testimony she had only spoken to Kelly once or twice during this period, which implies that she seriously exaggerated how well she knew, and was able to recognize, the victim. In fact, even the coroner questioned why they would be on first name terms- Maxwell claimed that Kelly referred to her as Carrie-based upon such a casual acquaintance.

Maurice Lewis claimed that he saw Kelly in the Ringers (Britannia), at 10:00am, and that she was drinking with some other people. This is extraordinary considering no one else recalled seeing her in the pub at that time, let alone conversing with her. Therefore, if Lewis is correct we must surely be dealing with a major conspiracy/cover-up.

[spyglass]

Hi,
Maxwell said that she had known Kelly for about six months, so I doubt if she would have got her mixed up with other women coming and going.
Then there is Maurice Lewis who also claimed to see her, and if my memory serves me right , didn't the Times report a third un-named witness who corroboratingMaxwell story?
I really can't believe that they got it wrong.

Regards.

[curious4]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zUcJKuOV-IU

No comment!

C4

[DJA]

Also, didn't MJK work in a west end brothel months before, maybe before she went to France?

A gay house.

[Wickerman]

I got the impression that "not wearing a hat" was some kind of indication that she is a prostitute looking for a customer at the time.

That was indeed the tradition, though it applied more to younger women than the older ones.
Earlier in the evening Kelly had been wearing a bonnet, but at that time she was out with her friend Maria Harvey, so it might be assumed she did not wish to be seen as "available" at that time.

[Rosella]

Maybe Mary only had one hat or bonnet and saved that for best. As a young and supposedly pretty woman she may have wanted to show off her hair.

The supposition is that in Victorian and Edwardian times everyone male and female always had headgear on when they went outdoors (or at least a shawl over the head for working class women.)

However, there are some photos around showing East End women sitting in the streets gossiping with each other wearing black clothing, aprons and no hats. So Mary not wearing a hat may have just been necessity or choice.

[SirJohnFalstaff]

She was also known for not wearing a hat, and I wondered if the reason she didn't wear hats was to make herself appear shorter, because many of the men in the area weren't much taller than 5'7.

Anyway, her being notorious for not wearing a hat I think strikes a blow to the "killer wore her clothes." .

I got the impression that "not wearing a hat" was some kind of indication that she is a prostitute looking for a customer at the time.


Also, didn't MJK work in a west end brothel months before, maybe before she went to France?

[RivkahChaya]

Possibly.

I know I have vomited, had nothing to eat and vomited again a few hours later, you don't always empty your stomach.

You can vomit what is in your stomach, but not upper GI tract as well.

But yeah, you can spew up just liquid, or you can really toss up everything-- solids as well. I just had a recent bout with a stomach virus.

[SirJohnFalstaff]

Also, I remember reading somewhere that Mrs Maxwell had poor eyesight.

Anyone read that in a credible source?

[SirJohnFalstaff]

Hi Abby, I'm rather glad you have started this thread because it allows me to get something off my chest that I've wanted to say for some months.

There is, as you know, a theory that Mrs Maxwell might have seen Mary Jane Kelly's (male) killer emerging from her lodging dressed in her clothes.

I have always thought this to be very unlikely if not utterly ridiculous.

haha. That's exactly how it happens in the novel I'm writing. The killer pretended to be a cop disguised as a woman. His own women's clothe were soaked in blood, so he burned them and took MJK's.

[GUT]

Hello all

This struck me in the middle of the night. If Mary vomited at 8 in the morning, would there have been remains of the meal she had eaten still in her stomach?

Best wishes
C4

Possibly.

I know I have vomited, had nothing to eat and vomited again a few hours later, you don't always empty your stomach.

[curious4]

Vomit

Hello all

This struck me in the middle of the night. If Mary vomited at 8 in the morning, would there have been remains of the meal she had eaten still in her stomach?

Best wishes
C4