Possible explanation for Maxwell Discrepency?

[GUT]

"What if Mary and Joe decided to fix up a hoax to help Mary slip away from whatever she seemed to be afraid of (whether JtR, ex-boyfriend, McCarty, Fenians, fill in the blank), and they decided to let the room that night. Maybe Joe promised he'd handle the details if she went into hiding. Maybe he (or they) went out and found a woman (probably in a pub) that was similar to Mary Jane in height, hair and eye color, offered her a safe place in MJK's room, then went away. I don't think they meant to have the woman murdered, but needed an occupant in the place while they snuck away leaving the rent unpaid. Perhaps Mary Jane returned early in the morning, found the terrible scene, and became sick at the sight and her near escape. That would allow for the sightings of her that morning to make sense... Although, I admit, her actions the previous night, as well as being seen the following morning don't really make a lot of sense."

I think this would make Occam start to drink heavily.

c.d.

[Pcdunn]

Nobody said life was uncomplicated, Occam...

"What if Mary and Joe decided to fix up a hoax to help Mary slip away from whatever she seemed to be afraid of (whether JtR, ex-boyfriend, McCarty, Fenians, fill in the blank), and they decided to let the room that night. Maybe Joe promised he'd handle the details if she went into hiding. Maybe he (or they) went out and found a woman (probably in a pub) that was similar to Mary Jane in height, hair and eye color, offered her a safe place in MJK's room, then went away. I don't think they meant to have the woman murdered, but needed an occupant in the place while they snuck away leaving the rent unpaid. Perhaps Mary Jane returned early in the morning, found the terrible scene, and became sick at the sight and her near escape. That would allow for the sightings of her that morning to make sense... Although, I admit, her actions the previous night, as well as being seen the following morning don't really make a lot of sense."

I think this would make Occam start to drink heavily.

c.d.

LOL

[Shaggyrand]

Maybe Barnett was a cross-dresser.

Maybe Barnett could only find work at a Drag Show after losing his license.
BOOM! MORE PROOF! JtR= Dan Leno! (Sorry... I've become very taken with this joke suspect)

[RivkahChaya]

Presumably MJK & Joseph Barnett were living together around the time Maxwell first met Kelly, so there weren't any other women staying at 13 Miller's Court to confuse identities.

Maybe Barnett was a cross-dresser.

[sdreid]

Hello, Abby.

Problem with this theory is that Maxwell claims to have known Kelly for four months, and we know that she only recently started taking in her fellow unfortunates. Barnett moved out at the end of October as a result of this, correct? So one would assume that Maxwell had made Mary Kelly's acquaintance before then.

Then again, the whole Mary Kelly murder is a riddle wrapped in an enigma.

Didn't Barnett confirm that Maxwell and Kelly knew each other? I read that somewhere-don't know where at this stage.

[c.d.]

"What if Mary and Joe decided to fix up a hoax to help Mary slip away from whatever she seemed to be afraid of (whether JtR, ex-boyfriend, McCarty, Fenians, fill in the blank), and they decided to let the room that night. Maybe Joe promised he'd handle the details if she went into hiding. Maybe he (or they) went out and found a woman (probably in a pub) that was similar to Mary Jane in height, hair and eye color, offered her a safe place in MJK's room, then went away. I don't think they meant to have the woman murdered, but needed an occupant in the place while they snuck away leaving the rent unpaid. Perhaps Mary Jane returned early in the morning, found the terrible scene, and became sick at the sight and her near escape. That would allow for the sightings of her that morning to make sense... Although, I admit, her actions the previous night, as well as being seen the following morning don't really make a lot of sense."

I think this would make Occam start to drink heavily.

c.d.

[Harry D]

Hi harry
No, it means Maxwell didn't know mary or the person she thought was mary for four months-probably more like 4 weeks if at all.

Shes horribly confused, and probably about how long she knew this person as well.

That's pure conjecture, Abby, to fit your theory.

I have neighbours I've known for years and I can count on one hand the number of times I've actually spoken to them, if at all. I still wouldn't mistake them for a completely different person. Even if Maxwell had little interaction with Mary Kelly in the months leading up to her murder, no doubt her name came up in casual conversation with others, and by all accounts Mary Kelly was a striking young woman.

[Abby Normal]

Hi..
Maxwell stated, that she had seen the deceased in the lodging house, making it entirely possible she had mistaken Kelly For Lizzie Allbrook, who worked in a lodging house in Dorset street..
If she was mistaken..and only ''If''..I believe that is the explanation.
Regards Richard.

thanks-sounds reasonable to me.

[Abby Normal]

Presumably MJK & Joseph Barnett were living together around the time Maxwell first met Kelly, so there weren't any other women staying at 13 Miller's Court to confuse identities.

Hi harry
No, it means Maxwell didn't know mary or the person she thought was mary for four months-probably more like 4 weeks if at all.

Shes horribly confused, and probably about how long she knew this person as well.

[richardnunweek]

That is all possible..I love a good old mystery,
Richard.

[Wickerman]

Good point Richard.
When we look back at many of the earliest press reports published on Saturday 10th - for example the murdered woman lived upstairs and had a child, etc.
We normally dismiss these reports but they appear to indicate that even the close neighbors were confused as to who the victim actually was.

[Pcdunn]

I think it was another witness who claimed to see Mary Kelly in the bar, but the rest of your first paragraph is correct.

But this is all based on the idea that IF Maxwell was correct in identifying Kelly, THEN she must have been murdered later... What if we look at it from a different point of view?

What if Mary and Joe decided to fix up a hoax to help Mary slip away from whatever she seemed to be afraid of (whether JtR, ex-boyfriend, McCarty, Fenians, fill in the blank), and they decided to let the room that night. Maybe Joe promised he'd handle the details if she went into hiding. Maybe he (or they) went out and found a woman (probably in a pub) that was similar to Mary Jane in height, hair and eye color, offered her a safe place in MJK's room, then went away. I don't think they meant to have the woman murdered, but needed an occupant in the place while they snuck away leaving the rent unpaid. Perhaps Mary Jane returned early in the morning, found the terrible scene, and became sick at the sight and her near escape. That would allow for the sightings of her that morning to make sense... Although, I admit, her actions the previous night, as well as being seen the following morning don't really make a lot of sense.

Unless Joe wanted a woman who resembled Mary in order to have her impersonate Mary, the previous evening. Was Hutchinson in on the plot as well?
Perhaps distracting the police with their search for a phony man in a fancy coat?

Joe identified the dead woman as Mary, because he knew she could still escape. Did he disappear as well?

[richardnunweek]

Hi..
Maxwell stated, that she had seen the deceased in the lodging house, making it entirely possible she had mistaken Kelly For Lizzie Allbrook, who worked in a lodging house in Dorset street..
If she was mistaken..and only ''If''..I believe that is the explanation.
Regards Richard.

[Harry D]

Hi Harry
She knew Mary for four Months but only spoke to her twice. So that morning was the second time- so in four months before that she only spoke to her once.

whats wrong with this picture?

Presumably MJK & Joseph Barnett were living together around the time Maxwell first met Kelly, so there weren't any other women staying at 13 Miller's Court to confuse identities.

[Abby Normal]

Me too-- or even a little earlier given that Maxwell probably gauged time by a common clock, and could have miscounted chimes, or missed a quarter hour. I'm willing to push her reported time back 25 minutes, or even speculate that she was wrong about the hour, and it was 7:xx, not 8.

Hi RC
But she also claimed to see her again at 8:45-9:00 in a bar.
Not enough time for her to take a man back, big fire, murder, mutilation and man to leave in the middle of the morning before her body is discovered at 10:45. No way.

Also, for the millionth time-would Mary-with alcohol poisoning to the point of vomiting, be in the mood or condition to go BACK to a bar (after already being their once that morning) AND bring him back to her place, apparently for paid sex?
A little common sense here folks.

Maxwells story is so frought with problems she is only slightly ahead of Packer in terms of credibility IMHO.

Im not necessarily calling her a liar-just severely mistaken.