Possible explanation for Maxwell Discrepency?

[Wickerman]

Hi Wickerman
I've read the book,trouble is people have been looking for a Mary Kelly. Should have dawned on people by now that it is unlikely that that was her name initially. Although if it wasn't maybe the cagey McCarthys did know it without letting on

Hi Packers.
People can only work with the evidence they have.
What name do you suggest they look for?

You seem to presume a lot about the reliability of Barnett.The same Barnett who stayed in the room for three nights with no bed to sleep in,same Barnett as we've seen in another discussion appeared to let the cat out of the bag about a child.The same Barnett that was seen drinking with Kelly at 10am. The same Barnett who,in 2 hours outside no 13 didn't mention there was no need to take an axe to the door,which our other favourite Mr reliable McCarthy is equally guilty.

It looks like you confuse what Barnett said, with what others said about Barnett.
Like, Barnett never claimed to be drinking with Mary at 10am., that is claimed by someone else.

- People slept on chairs, or on the floor when there was no room on a bed.

- Like I said before, we do not know if Barnett arrived at Millers Court before, or after, the door had been forced.

Many of us happen to believe that the evidence for the body in 13 millers court not being Barnett's lover is stronger than for it being her.

And many do not agree.

3 witnesses...maxwell,Lewis and whoever saw her drinking with Barnett against well Barnett who could recognise her blood soaked hair and eyes through the mutilation
Something else to think about :-)

How many red-headed women of that age & build should he expect to be found on his old bed?

[JadenCollins]

to Jaden and packer
little green men.

Ill pass.

But Abby, we come in peace...
All jokes aside, you should really consider it..

[Abby Normal]

to Jaden and packer
little green men.

Ill pass.

[JadenCollins]

Hi Jaden
so Barnett, who as Marys lover, knew her and her body intimately, mistook her for someone else but Maxwell, who had no relation to mary, admitted she only spoke to her twice in only four months of 'knowing" her is not mistaken?

yeesh.

Hi Abby
Barnett could have had motive for saying that. He could have been in on it. He could have said that to cover it all up. Of course the police will believe him, he was lover, he knew her...

[JadenCollins]

Have you not read, Will the Real Mary Kelly...?, Scott, 2005.

There are two candidates there, one of which was a Mary Kelly, aged 24 in 1888.
Born in Ireland, moved to Wales with family.
Had one sister and seven brothers, one of whom was named John.
Though the father was named Hubert on the census, and this Mary Kelly is still alive in the 1891 census, but then she would have to be to suit your theory.

This is the closest fit that has been found to date, but as the majority opinion holds that the body in room 13 was most likely Mary Kelly, then this find incurs little interest.
Conventional wisdom requires the correct Mary Kelly to not appear in the 1891 census, or any other census thereafter.

The caveat though is, due to the difficulty in being able to find a good (meaning dead) candidate, that conventional wisdom is beginning to accept that "Mary Kelly" was perhaps not the true name of the victim.

So where does that leave us?

Well, the body does not need to be "Mary Kelly". Conventional wisdom will be satisfied with the body actually being only Barnett's lover, regardless of what her true name was.

Which may mean the 'real' Mary Kelly, the one who's family details suit the claims made by Barnett, may not have died in Millers Court, but that the woman to whom he shared his life with adopted the identity of this Mary Kelly who had seven brothers and one sister.

That may mean the victim & the real Mary Kelly knew each other (childhood friends?), which could narrow the search down considerably.
I have wondered what happened to this 'cousin' whom, we are told, the victim claimed started her off in the 'bad life' in Cardiff, assuming of course that this cousin was a woman.

It's something to think about.

Well...

There's a thing, I don't know if her real name was Mary Jane Kelly, and I don't know her real life story either, that all still remains a mystery. I was only talking about "the victim" and "the person" MJK or whatever her name was. Something doesn't add up to it. I just think that she wasn't the person they found in her room that day, that's all.

[packers stem]

Hi Jaden
so Barnett, who as Marys lover, knew her and her body intimately, mistook her for someone else but Maxwell, who had no relation to mary, admitted she only spoke to her twice in only four months of 'knowing" her is not mistaken?

yeesh.

Hi Abby
He didn't have to have mistaken her...
She could have told him before disappearing to cover for her quite easily
And it's not just maxwell, you know that full well

[packers stem]

Have you not read, Will the Real Mary Kelly...?, Scott, 2005.

There are two candidates there, one of which was a Mary Kelly, aged 24 in 1888.
Born in Ireland, moved to Wales with family.
Had one sister and seven brothers, one of whom was named John.
Though the father was named Hubert on the census, and this Mary Kelly is still alive in the 1891 census, but then she would have to be to suit your theory.

This is the closest fit that has been found to date, but as the majority opinion holds that the body in room 13 was most likely Mary Kelly, then this find incurs little interest.
Conventional wisdom requires the correct Mary Kelly to not appear in the 1891 census, or any other census thereafter.

The caveat though is, due to the difficulty in being able to find a good (meaning dead) candidate, that conventional wisdom is beginning to accept that "Mary Kelly" was perhaps not the true name of the victim.

So where does that leave us?

Well, the body does not need to be "Mary Kelly". Conventional wisdom will be satisfied with the body actually being only Barnett's lover, regardless of what her true name was.

Which may mean the 'real' Mary Kelly, the one who's family details suit the claims made by Barnett, may not have died in Millers Court, but that the woman to whom he shared his life with adopted the identity of this Mary Kelly who had seven brothers and one sister.

That may mean the victim & the real Mary Kelly knew each other (childhood friends?), which could narrow the search down considerably.
I have wondered what happened to this 'cousin' whom, we are told, the victim claimed started her off in the 'bad life' in Cardiff, assuming of course that this cousin was a woman.

It's something to think about.

Hi Wickerman
I've read the book,trouble is people have been looking for a Mary Kelly. Should have dawned on people by now that it is unlikely that that was her name initially. Although if it wasn't maybe the cagey McCarthys did know it without letting on
You seem to presume a lot about the reliability of Barnett.The same Barnett who stayed in the room for three nights with no bed to sleep in,same Barnett as we've seen in another discussion appeared to let the cat out of the bag about a child.The same Barnett that was seen drinking with Kelly at 10am. The same Barnett who,in 2 hours outside no 13 didn't mention there was no need to take an axe to the door,which our other favourite Mr reliable McCarthy is equally guilty.
Many of us happen to believe that the evidence for the body in 13 millers court not being Barnett's lover is stronger than for it being her.
3 witnesses...maxwell,Lewis and whoever saw her drinking with Barnett against well Barnett who could recognise her blood soaked hair and eyes through the mutilation
Something else to think about :-)

[Abby Normal]

Have you not read, Will the Real Mary Kelly...?, Scott, 2005.

There are two candidates there, one of which was a Mary Kelly, aged 24 in 1888.
Born in Ireland, moved to Wales with family.
Had one sister and seven brothers, one of whom was named John.
Though the father was named Hubert on the census, and this Mary Kelly is still alive in the 1891 census, but then she would have to be to suit your theory.

This is the closest fit that has been found to date, but as the majority opinion holds that the body in room 13 was most likely Mary Kelly, then this find incurs little interest.
Conventional wisdom requires the correct Mary Kelly to not appear in the 1891 census, or any other census thereafter.

The caveat though is, due to the difficulty in being able to find a good (meaning dead) candidate, that conventional wisdom is beginning to accept that "Mary Kelly" was perhaps not the true name of the victim.

So where does that leave us?

Well, the body does not need to be "Mary Kelly". Conventional wisdom will be satisfied with the body actually being only Barnett's lover, regardless of what her true name was.

Which may mean the 'real' Mary Kelly, the one who's family details suit the claims made by Barnett, may not have died in Millers Court, but that the woman to whom he shared his life with adopted the identity of this Mary Kelly who had seven brothers and one sister.

That may mean the victim & the real Mary Kelly knew each other, which could narrow the search down considerably.
I have wondered what happened to this 'cousin' whom, we are told, the victim claimed started her off in the 'bad life' in Cardiff, assuming of course that this cousin was a woman.

It's something to think about.

id rather not-it hurts my head. Martin Fido would be proud though!

[Abby Normal]

The more I read about MJK, the more I think Maxwell's was right. I get that she's only seen her on two short occasions but you can't mistake someone for someone else unless it's dark outside.

Something doesn't add up to MJK's story, I can't really put it into words but I can't help but think that the body that was found at Miller's Court wasn't MJK, could be someone who stayed over at her place?

Hi Jaden
so Barnett, who as Marys lover, knew her and her body intimately, mistook her for someone else but Maxwell, who had no relation to mary, admitted she only spoke to her twice in only four months of 'knowing" her is not mistaken?

yeesh.

[Wickerman]

The more I read about MJK, the more I think Maxwell's was right. I get that she's only seen her on two short occasions but you can't mistake someone for someone else unless it's dark outside.

Something doesn't add up to MJK's story, I can't really put it into words but I can't help but think that the body that was found at Miller's Court wasn't MJK, could be someone who stayed over at her place?

Have you not read, Will the Real Mary Kelly...?, Scott, 2005.

There are two candidates there, one of which was a Mary Kelly, aged 24 in 1888.
Born in Ireland, moved to Wales with family.
Had one sister and seven brothers, one of whom was named John.
Though the father was named Hubert on the census, and this Mary Kelly is still alive in the 1891 census, but then she would have to be to suit your theory.

This is the closest fit that has been found to date, but as the majority opinion holds that the body in room 13 was most likely Mary Kelly, then this find incurs little interest.
Conventional wisdom requires the correct Mary Kelly to not appear in the 1891 census, or any other census thereafter.

The caveat though is, due to the difficulty in being able to find a good (meaning dead) candidate, that conventional wisdom is beginning to accept that "Mary Kelly" was perhaps not the true name of the victim.

So where does that leave us?

Well, the body does not need to be "Mary Kelly". Conventional wisdom will be satisfied with the body actually being only Barnett's lover, regardless of what her true name was.

Which may mean the 'real' Mary Kelly, the one who's family details suit the claims made by Barnett, may not have died in Millers Court, but that the woman to whom he shared his life with adopted the identity of this Mary Kelly who had seven brothers and one sister.

That may mean the victim & the real Mary Kelly knew each other (childhood friends?), which could narrow the search down considerably.
I have wondered what happened to this 'cousin' whom, we are told, the victim claimed started her off in the 'bad life' in Cardiff, assuming of course that this cousin was a woman.

It's something to think about.

[MysterySinger]

But has anyone found Caroline or Henry Maxwell in the census or electoral information. Was Maxwell her real name, for example. Could she have had a motive for saying what she did. They seem very hard to trace.

[JadenCollins]

But that is just wrong Jaden, I used to work with Rwo blokes and saw them mistaken for each othe time and time again, they weren't even related, just the same size, colouring and same beard it could be funny at times, there used to be a bloke living near me (in the same city) who my mum mistook for me once, I actually never met him face to face but did see a photo of him, and can understand the confusion.

I get it, many people look alike, and it can get confusing but personally I don't think she was wrong. Maxwell wasn't the only one to see her alive. It can't be a coincidence.

And that's harsh, your own mom mistook you for someone else? ouch.

[GUT]

The more I read about MJK, the more I think Maxwell's was right. I get that she's only seen her on two short occasions but you can't mistake someone for someone else unless it's dark outside.

Something doesn't add up to MJK's story, I can't really put it into words but I can't help but think that the body that was found at Miller's Court wasn't MJK, could be someone who stayed over at her place?

But that is just wrong Jaden, I used to work with Rwo blokes and saw them mistaken for each othe time and time again, they weren't even related, just the same size, colouring and same beard it could be funny at times, there used to be a bloke living near me (in the same city) who my mum mistook for me once, I actually never met him face to face but did see a photo of him, and can understand the confusion.

[packers stem]

The more I read about MJK, the more I think Maxwell's was right. I get that she's only seen her on two short occasions but you can't mistake someone for someone else unless it's dark outside.

Something doesn't add up to MJK's story, I can't really put it into words but I can't help but think that the body that was found at Miller's Court wasn't MJK, could be someone who stayed over at her place?

I agree Jaden

[packers stem]

But who was Maxwell. What do we really know about her? Has anyone found her (or him) in any records from the period?

Caroline Maxwell,wife of Henry Maxwell who was a lodging house deputy across the road to Millers Court.She gave evidence at the inquest to say that she saw Mary Kelly on the morning when she was believed to be already dead