Lawende is a red herring.

[Abby Normal]

The apron and GSG are significant in this case.

yup-so is a peaked cap

[DJA]

In the Standard, Levy was reported to have added..
"There is a better light at the club now than there used to be, and with the aid of the lamp a few yards off I could distinguish almost anybody. On the night in question, however, there was not sufficient light to enable me to distinguish the colour of the dress which the woman was wearing."

Likely no point in saying she wore an apron when most women did, and when an apron does nothing to distinguish the woman, like a hat or jacket would.
No mention of boots either but I'll bet she wasn't in bare feet.

The apron and GSG are significant in this case.

[Abby Normal]

Hi Abby,

But very Ripperological.

Stay well.

Simon

very true. this sentence has sentimental meaning for me. when i was little my dad would always make fun of it. if something was done poorly or wrong hed say.. it was a dark and stormy night LOL! if it was raining at night hes say it. its like that movie Plan Nine from Outer Space. or a really ugly bulldog. they are so bad theyre cute.

"(for it is in London that our scene lies)". hahaha. so bad. like a fourth grade play.

[Wickerman]

Surely Lawende, Levy and Harris waited for it to stop raining before they left the club? Hence the few minutes between getting up to leave and actually going outside.

As reported in the Daily News, Lawende's words imply that.

"We could not get home because it was raining. At half past one we left to go out, and left the house about five minutes later."

[Wickerman]

In the Standard, Levy was reported to have added..
"There is a better light at the club now than there used to be, and with the aid of the lamp a few yards off I could distinguish almost anybody. On the night in question, however, there was not sufficient light to enable me to distinguish the colour of the dress which the woman was wearing."

Likely no point in saying she wore an apron when most women did, and when an apron does nothing to distinguish the woman, like a hat or jacket would.
No mention of boots either but I'll bet she wasn't in bare feet.

[DJA]

Surely Lawende, Levy and Harris waited for it to stop raining before they left the club? Hence the few minutes between getting up to leave and actually going outside.

Reckon that's the general consensus.

As her right hand is visible on his chest as the three approach,why is there no mention of a large apron?

[Joshua Rogan]

Surely Lawende, Levy and Harris waited for it to stop raining before they left the club? Hence the few minutes between getting up to leave and actually going outside.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Doesn’t sound like they were huddled against the wall sheltering as she was in front of the man.

[DJA]

Joseph Lawende: I reside at No. 45, Norfolk-road, Dalston, and am a commercial traveller. On the night of Sept. 29, I was at the Imperial Club, Duke-street, together with Mr. Joseph Levy and Mr. Harry Harris. It was raining, and we sat in the club till half-past one o'clock, when we left. I observed a man and woman together at the corner of Church-passage, Duke-street, leading to Mitre-square.
The Coroner: Were they talking? - The woman was standing with her face towards the man, and I only saw her back. She had one hand on his breast. He was the taller. She had on a black jacket and bonnet. I have seen the articles at the police-station, and believe them to be those the deceased was wearing.
[Coroner] What sort of man was this? - He had on a cloth cap with a peak of the same.
Mr. Crawford: Unless the jury wish it, I do not think further particulars should be given as to the appearance of this man.
The Foreman: The jury do not desire it.
Mr. Crawford (to witness): You have given a description of the man to the police? - Yes.
[Coroner] Would you know him again? - I doubt it. The man and woman were about nine or ten feet away from me. I have no doubt it was half-past one o'clock when we rose to leave the club, so that it would be twenty-five minutes to two o'clock when we passed the man and woman.
[Coroner] Did you overhear anything that either said? - No.
[Coroner] Did either appear in an angry mood? - No.
[Coroner] Did anything about their movements attract your attention? - No. The man looked rather rough and shabby.
[Coroner] When the woman placed her hand on the man's breast, did she do it as if to push him away? - No; it was done very quietly.
[Coroner] You were not curious enough to look back and see where they went. - No.
Mr. Joseph Hyam Levy, the butcher in Hutcheson-street, Aldgate, stated: I was with the last witness at the Imperial Club on Saturday night, Sept. 29. We got up to leave at half-past one on Sunday morning, and came out three or four minutes later. I saw a man and woman standing at the corner of Church-passage, but I did not take any notice of them. I passed on, thinking they were up to no good at so late an hour.
[Coroner] What height was the man? - I should think he was three inches taller than the woman, who was, perhaps, 5ft high. I cannot give any further description of them. I went down Duke-street into Aldgate, leaving them still talking together.
By the Jury: The point in the passage where the man and woman were standing was not well lighted. On the contrary, I think it was badly lighted then, but the light is much better now.
By Mr. Crawford: Nothing in what I saw excited my suspicion as to the intentions of the man. I did not hear a word that he uttered to the woman.
[Coroner] Your fear was rather about yourself? - Not exactly. (Laughter.)

[Herlock Sholmes]

The woman dressed in black like Eddowes and her companion had most likely been sheltering from the rain.

"a few yards away" ...... the Passage was 85 feet long,plus another 77 feet for Mitre Square. That's over 50 yards.

As you’ve very kindly taken the trouble of going on to another thread to call one of my posts on here ‘dross’ I have to respond that Eddowes had her back to the man (at the corner of Church Passage) which implies that the man was between her and the wall. So she’s probably up to a yard away from the wall which hardly suggests sheltering. If they were both sheltering surely we would have expected them to have both been against the wall allowing Lawende to have seen her from the side? I only make this point as an opinion that they don’t sound to me like a couple simply sheltering. The narrow passage itself might have provided better shelter or some nearby doorway. I hope that this post isn’t construed as a part of my malign plan to infect the forum?

[Wickerman]

It shouldn't be, we're talking about 1888 not 1939.

[DJA]

Yep.

Like Church Passage becoming St James Passage.

Confusin' ain't it

[Wickerman]

1939 Goad map.

Ah, 50 years after, ok, just some names change over time.
Thanks anyway.

[DJA]

That passage was known as Mitre Passage?
You remember where you got that from?
I've looked for a name for that passage, I haven't found a map with the name on it.

1939 Goad map.

[jmenges]

Well I seem to have upset some people as well as the board. When I said "whore" above I meant in the way she would have acted, I didn't realise whore was a bad word for prostitute, the other upset is unclear. Anyway I will take my leave from this board. Good luck all, farewell. Miakaal4.xx

Major Rule #6 states that the brutally murdered women need to be discussed and handled with sensitivity and respect and not to post anything that could be construed as degrading of the victims or women as a whole. An example of this would be calling Catherine Eddowes “the whore”.
If any member won’t take this as the simple warning it was and adjust your language accordingly, then by all means, take your leave.

JM