Lawende is a red herring.

[miakaal4]

Talking of time, Jack found the 10 minutes inside Watkins patrol to do the deed. He couldn't have had time to case the cop if he had just killed Stride. And Watkins was going in reverse. How could he know?? 5 mins each way he would have been caught.

[miakaal4]

It takes a modern surgeon about an hour to start and finish an appendectomy. So narrow that down to cut, find, remove, say 1 minute?
So if we give Jack 90 seconds, given it was very dark and having just dumped out the intestines, he was faced with a mess of gore. So 90 seconds to locate the kidney and remove put in apron. Then 90 to do the same with the womb. That is 3 minutes gone. Leaving at most 4 minutes to do everything else and get away. Including cut the apron. Must be superman.

[Elamarna]

well they thought he was valuable enough to use as a witness in trying to id suspects, the only one in the whole case.

i would argue that he was used in cases where they knew the suspect was not the Ripper, that he was not the witness used for the Seaside Home ID.

Therefore there was another witness, and such was Schwartz.
Contray to much that is written, in early November, Schwartz was still seen as the most important witness by Scotland Yard.

[Abby Normal]

Abby, Swanson in his report of the 19th October was not so convinced over the value of Lawende:

". In this case I understand from City Police that Mr. Lewin [sic – Lawende] one of the men identified the clothes only of the murdered woman Eddowes, which is a serious drawback to the value of the description of the man"

well they thought he was valuable enough to use as a witness in trying to id suspects, the only one in the whole case.

[Elamarna]

it would only take three or four minutes to kill and mutilate eddowes. plus lawende and co saw tje same peaked cap man suspect as everyone else that night. lawende probably not a red herring. the police certainly didnt think so.

Abby, Swanson in his report of the 19th October was not so convinced over the value of Lawende:

". In this case I understand from City Police that Mr. Lewin [sic – Lawende] one of the men identified the clothes only of the murdered woman Eddowes, which is a serious drawback to the value of the description of the man"

[Abby Normal]

it would only take three or four minutes to kill and mutilate eddowes. plus lawende and co saw tje same peaked cap man suspect as everyone else that night. lawende probably not a red herring. the police certainly didnt think so.

[DJA]

Hi Wicky.

Used to be known as Mitre Court,then Mitre Passage.

[Wickerman]

Was that the case in 1888 when it was known as Church Passage?

Fire map for 1887 shows no covering.

Ah,you refer to Mitre Passage.

This map is dated Jan. 1887.
As you can see top left corner of Mitre Square, Heseltines Warehouse extends over the passage to St. James Place - St. James Passage.



The passage scales out to be about 22 ft long.

[Trevor Marriott]

Trevor has his own ideas on who "operated" on Eddowes after her murder.

and it certainly was not the killler!

[DJA]

Trevor has his own ideas on who "operated" on Eddowes after her murder.

[miakaal4]

Did he? Phillips said Chapmans mutilations would have taken around 15 minutes. More light and less damage, yet Eddowes was done in 6?

[Trevor Marriott]

If Lawende was correct about whom he saw and the time, it gives JtR 8 minutes tops to lure kill and maim Eddowes. If you allow 2 minutes to get from where they were seen to the place where the body was found that leaves 6 to kill and do all the rest. When the doctor at the inquest was asked how long it would take, he said minimum of 5 minutes. To do what? Remove the organs? The whole thing? Is it really possible? From a standing position to running off. 6 minutes. All because Lawende saw a woman from behind in the dark in the rain for a few seconds.

But if the motive was to do no more than murder and mutilate the killer did have the time!!!!!!!

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[miakaal4]

If Lawende was correct about whom he saw and the time, it gives JtR 8 minutes tops to lure kill and maim Eddowes. If you allow 2 minutes to get from where they were seen to the place where the body was found that leaves 6 to kill and do all the rest. When the doctor at the inquest was asked how long it would take, he said minimum of 5 minutes. To do what? Remove the organs? The whole thing? Is it really possible? From a standing position to running off. 6 minutes. All because Lawende saw a woman from behind in the dark in the rain for a few seconds.

[DJA]

When the wind is driving the rain on an angle,simply standing against a tall wall will keep people dry.

[Herlock Sholmes]

As Church Passage wasn’t covered what were they sheltering from rain under?