Lawende is a red herring.

[Wickerman]

Close but no cigar.

"It was a dark and stormy night; the rain fell in torrents — except at occasional intervals, when it was checked by a violent gust of wind which swept up the streets (for it is in London that our scene lies), rattling along the housetops, and fiercely agitating the scanty flame of the lamps that struggled against the darkness."

It's the opening line to Bulwer-Lytton's 1830 novel, "Paul Clifford," about a highway robber during the French Revolution.

Those first seven little words have become a laughing stock of literature for their melodramatic and obvious nature. "Dark and stormy" has become so cliché, in fact, even a dog could write it. That's what fans of "Peanuts" know: Snoopy has been known to type "it was a dark and stormy night" over and over again.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2015/10/27/bcst-books-dark-and-stormy-night

Things are never the way they seem, right Simon?

Close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Abby,

But very Ripperological.

Stay well.

Simon

[miakaal4]

Well I seem to have upset some people as well as the board. When I said "whore" above I meant in the way she would have acted, I didn't realise whore was a bad word for prostitute, the other upset is unclear. Anyway I will take my leave from this board. Good luck all, farewell. Miakaal4.xx

[Abby Normal]

Close but no cigar.

"It was a dark and stormy night; the rain fell in torrents — except at occasional intervals, when it was checked by a violent gust of wind which swept up the streets (for it is in London that our scene lies), rattling along the housetops, and fiercely agitating the scanty flame of the lamps that struggled against the darkness."

lol!!! worst sentence ever!

[jmenges]

And naturally the whore would agree to it.

You seem to be intelligent person so I’m sure you can come up with something other than “the whore”.

Do so.

JM

[Simon Wood]

Close but no cigar.

"It was a dark and stormy night; the rain fell in torrents — except at occasional intervals, when it was checked by a violent gust of wind which swept up the streets (for it is in London that our scene lies), rattling along the housetops, and fiercely agitating the scanty flame of the lamps that struggled against the darkness."

[Wickerman]

It was the darkest corner in the square.

[miakaal4]

Hey guys would Eddowes have led him to that place in the corner to do the biz? I mean was that the best place on the square?

[Wickerman]

Hi Wicky.

Used to be known as Mitre Court,.....

I think you'll find that Mitre Court is a miss-print for Mitre Square.

[Wickerman]

Hi Wicky.

Used to be known as Mitre Court,then Mitre Passage.

That passage was known as Mitre Passage?
You remember where you got that from?
I've looked for a name for that passage, I haven't found a map with the name on it.

[Scott Nelson]

The city police theory was that the Ripper and Eddowes waited for Watkins to make his round through Mitre Square, then they entered as Watkins was walking up Mitre Street. A news report (which I'm recalling from memory) stated that 7 minutes had elapsed since Watkins left the Square to the time he encountered a man emerging from Mitre Court (or St. James Passage). This would have occurred as Watkins was making his way around St. James Place (the Orange Market). This story also implies Watkins had been interviewed by city police sometime after the event.

[DJA]

It's possible that the couple were standing at the end of Church Passage waiting for Watkins to leave the square, before entering. No need to worry about which way round he was going, just wait for him to leave and they have a fifteen minute (or so) window until he returns.

Nah. How would they know when Watkins left the Square?

Why in Hell would two people want to have sex in that cold dark corner at that time of the morning for 7 minutes?
There is no evidence that Eddowes was a sex worker.

He would have 7 minutes,tops and then have to avoid Watkins return. Not to mention the other cop.

[DJA]

Talking of time, Jack found the 10 minutes inside Watkins patrol to do the deed. He couldn't have had time to case the cop if he had just killed Stride. And Watkins was going in reverse. How could he know?? 5 mins each way he would have been caught.

Because he had a bolt hole behind the fence. Probably 6 Mitre Street.

Just needs to strangle Eddowes and do the eyes while waiting for Watkins to pass.He knows he then has 12 to 14 minutes.
Explains the lack of blood spray.
He knows Kate told the police "nothing".
It was where he was waiting before going out to write the GSG.
He had already placed her kidney in ethanol.
The red herring was the half apron which was initially used to avoid a trail of blood droplets back through the gate.

[miakaal4]

And naturally the whore would agree to it. But now we have to subtract 5 minutes due to Mr Lawende that leaves 10. If you break down the murder into parts ie 90 secs to get to murder spot, 90 secs to get her on her back throat cut etc, it works out to 10.5 minutes. But then he has to vanish.

[Joshua Rogan]

Talking of time, Jack found the 10 minutes inside Watkins patrol to do the deed. He couldn't have had time to case the cop if he had just killed Stride. And Watkins was going in reverse. How could he know?? 5 mins each way he would have been caught.

It's possible that the couple were standing at the end of Church Passage waiting for Watkins to leave the square, before entering. No need to worry about which way round he was going, just wait for him to leave and they have a fifteen minute (or so) window until he returns.