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  • Originally posted by packers stem View Post

    Thanks for the mention

    Nothing to do with theory, just available evidence.
    Phillips could have been slightly out but as the digestion of potato completely and utterly backs him up I'm good with it .
    It's you who has to look for 'exceptions' to the norm to make your beliefs fit , not I
    ..... and now I'll disappear to other threads again
    At least Dr Gandalf Phillips got one thing right:

    [Coroner] In your opinion did she enter the yard alive? - I am positive of it. I made a thorough search of the passage, and I saw no trace of blood, which must have been visible had she been taken into the yard.

    Regards

    Herlock






    "Crime is common. Logic is rare. Therefore it is upon the logic rather than upon the crime that you should dwell.”

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    • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

      Digestion is unreliable. Evidence has been posted. Itís dead. End of.
      I posted evidence showing just the opposite.
      Its only dead in your mind and those who wish it to be for their own beliefs
      You can lead a horse to water.....

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      • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

        At least Dr Gandalf Phillips got one thing right:

        [Coroner] In your opinion did she enter the yard alive? - I am positive of it. I made a thorough search of the passage, and I saw no trace of blood, which must have been visible had she been taken into the yard.

        By that marvellous reasoning the pinchin street torso appeared by magic.
        No track marks ,nobody heard anything ,no blood splashes all over the road.
        Clearly a stork dropped it there.....
        You can lead a horse to water.....

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        • Digestion is now being suggested as a reliable method for determining time of death. I'm afraid this isn't correct either:

          " Using it as a guide to time of death, however, is theoretically unsound and presents many practical difficulties, although it may have limited applicability in some exceptional instances." (Stomach contents and the time of death. Rexamination of a persistent question, Jaffe FA. AM J Forensic Med Pathol. 1989.)

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          • 2. The lawyer was basically being a Lawyer. So are you saying that Cadosch was unlikely to have been correct because he didnít actually see the killer?
            Ok your getting close , remember Herlock he couldn't say where the ''NO'' came from ,so right there you have doubt , do you not ? And yes he was sure the noise come from 29 Buttttttt thats not proof it came from Annie and her killer is it ? ,. More doubt. So i ask you, on that alone why should we except Codoschs version as true that it was Annie and her killer in the yard at 5.20 to 5.30 ? .Because the body was discovered at 6.00 ish i hear you say , well why could the body have been there earlier as Dr Phillips suggested, and Richardson simply didn't notice it when he just stood on the step and looked to his right to check the lock. And from 4.45 to 6.00 no one else was in the yard till Annie was discovered , this surely cant be beyond the realms of possibility, surely ?
            Last edited by FISHY1118; 09-08-2019, 08:40 AM.

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            • Cadosch is a creditable witness. As is Richardson. There is an obvious question mark over Long.
              Find me 3 others that 100 percent agree with this statement in regards to Codosch and Richardson.

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              • The presence of potato in the stomach can never be reliable in any case, as starch is not digested in the stomach, and potatoes are 99% starch.
                Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, GŲtzendšmmerung, 1888)

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                • Kaul et al. 2017 also found wide variations. For instance, in respect of partial gastric emptying in females was found in 24.07% of cases up to 4 hours duration, 37.04% from 4-6 hours, and 54.55% 6-10 hours, 47.33% more than 10 hours.

                  Payne- James, 2003, gives a figure of 1-3 hours for gastric emptying in respect of a small meal. However, there are many physiological and psychological factors "which contribute to the great intra- and inter-individual variability of gastric emptying. Estimations, considering all circumstances, should only be made with great reservation." (ibid)

                  Thus, Payne-James refers to case where stomach contents were found post mortem 11 days after poly-trauma. See: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...ptying&f=false
                  Last edited by John G; 09-08-2019, 09:38 AM.

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                  • Originally posted by packers stem View Post

                    I posted evidence showing just the opposite.
                    Its only dead in your mind and those who wish it to be for their own beliefs
                    There is no opposite evidence! Itís science not a discussion on your favourite movie.
                    Regards

                    Herlock






                    "Crime is common. Logic is rare. Therefore it is upon the logic rather than upon the crime that you should dwell.”

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                    • Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

                      There is no opposite evidence! Itís science not a discussion on your favourite movie.
                      Try reading the study I've posted previously and on the other almost identical thread.
                      You can lead a horse to water.....

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                      • Originally posted by John G View Post
                        Digestion is now being suggested as a reliable method for determining time of death. I'm afraid this isn't correct either:

                        " Using it as a guide to time of death, however, is theoretically unsound and presents many practical difficulties, although it may have limited applicability in some exceptional instances." (Stomach contents and the time of death. Rexamination of a persistent question, Jaffe FA. AM J Forensic Med Pathol. 1989.)
                        That's not what's going on here John
                        There are two medical reasons combined together suggesting an early TOD
                        Many here are looking for them both to be out .
                        Phillip's is one ,digestion is the other .
                        When you combine the two the balance of probabilities suggests that an early TOD is likely to be correct rather than Phillip's being miles out in conjunction with some unusual slow down in digestion.
                        You can lead a horse to water.....

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                        • [QUOTE=FISHY1118;n721313]

                          Ok your getting close , remember Herlock he couldn't say where the ''NO'' came from ,so right there you have doubt , do you not ? And yes he was sure the noise come from 29 Buttttttt thats not proof it came from Annie and her killer is it ? ,. More doubt. So i ask you, on that alone why should we except Codoschs version as true that it was Annie and her killer in the yard at 5.20 to 5.30 ? .Because the body was discovered at 6.00 ish i hear you say , well why could the body have been there earlier as Dr Phillips suggested, and Richardson simply didn't notice it when he just stood on the step and looked to his right to check the lock. And from 4.45 to 6.00 no one else was in the yard till Annie was discovered ,this surely cant be beyond the realms of possibility, surely ?[/QUOTE]

                          Youre being intentionally misleading Fishy.

                          he couldn't say where the ''NO'' came from
                          He said that it felt that it came from number 29 but he couldnít be certain. He was simply being cautious and honest.

                          And yes he was sure the noise come from 29 Buttttttt thats not proof it came from Annie and her killer is it ?
                          And as ive said before we are talking about likelihoodís as none of us were there. Many things are theoretically possible but it doesnít make them anything remotely likely. If there was a body already there (according to Gandalf Phillips) then it couldnít have been a person. Anything else is unlikely in the extreme.

                          Richardson simply didn't notice it when he just stood on the step and looked to his right to check the lock
                          Because Richardson told us, at The Inquest under oath, that he didnít just stand in the doorway but sat on the step around a foot from where the body later lay and he was absolutely adamant; 100% confident that there was no body there. This constant harping on about what he did or didnít say to Chandler in the passageway is irrelevant. It wasnít a recorded interview. Chandler could have misheard him. Richardson might simply have said something like ďthe body wasnít there when I checked the cellar doorĒ because it was what Chandler wanted to know and Chandler didnít go into anymore detail. Even if Richardson deliberately withheld information this might simply have been because he didnít want to mention being in possession of a knife.

                          Remember, Trevor made the very reasonable point that he might have felt compelled to speak to the police because someone might have seen him enter number 29 at 4.50. But.....he still didn't have to mention sitting on the step and using a knife. He could have said that he just stood on the top step. He could have said that he sat on the step and smoked his pipe.


                          its even been suggested that doubt can be cast because Cadosch didnít see Chapman or her killer?? Despite the fact that they were behind Cadosch and he admitted that he didnít look round/

                          Ill throw you a bone here Fishy. No definitely in anything.

                          98% certain.
                          Regards

                          Herlock






                          "Crime is common. Logic is rare. Therefore it is upon the logic rather than upon the crime that you should dwell.”

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                          • Originally posted by packers stem View Post

                            That's not what's going on here John
                            There are two medical reasons combined together suggesting an early TOD
                            Many here are looking for them both to be out .
                            Phillip's is one ,digestion is the other .
                            When you combine the two the balance of probabilities suggests that an early TOD is likely to be correct rather than Phillip's being miles out in conjunction with some unusual slow down in digestion.
                            How can you put weight behind three methods that have been stated as unreliable by experts?

                            Answer.....you cannot.

                            Witness testimony outweighs guesswork Iím afraid.
                            Regards

                            Herlock






                            "Crime is common. Logic is rare. Therefore it is upon the logic rather than upon the crime that you should dwell.”

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                            • Originally posted by packers stem View Post

                              Try reading the study I've posted previously and on the other almost identical thread.
                              What study is this? Presumably you've made the necessary adjustments to take into account the fact that Champan's was no ordinary death- as I've illustrated above poly-trauma can have a dramatic affect on gastric emptying times. Would you kindly publish your calculations?

                              Why did you previously argue that Dr Phillips may have been only slightly out? Its clearly pseudoscientific nonsense to suggest you can determine time of death simply by touching the body, so his conclusions have no value.

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                              • Letís just get this out there...

                                Any suggestion that Annie was killed elsewhere and dropped in the backyard of 29 Hanbury Street is palpable nonsense. This meritless suggestion is worthy of no respect only unending derision. Itís time to stop pandering to drivel.
                                Regards

                                Herlock






                                "Crime is common. Logic is rare. Therefore it is upon the logic rather than upon the crime that you should dwell.”

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