ORIGINAL doors in Miller's court

[DJA]

Take it to another draftsman, they will only tell you what I am telling you.

OK,so the photos lied,the door, oops opening to 13 was in the passage, and the door to Prater's stairs was half way along the passage.

Strongly suspect that the Goad people were in a bit of a hurry to depart the premises.

Fire map ...... they could all burn in Hell

[Wickerman]

Hi Richard,

As this is a British plan, I would think it follows British floor notations....

I understand that Simon, but the Key uses "stories" (American) for "storeys" (British), and "colors" (American), for "colours" (British).

I agree to what we would 'expect', but we do not always have what we expect.

[Wickerman]

I'm not sure if this will come out large enough, but on the right side under FLOORS, the first line reads:
"1. 2. 3. 3 1/2 &c. on buildings are number of stories above ground
(3 1/2 = 3 floors & attic)"



This is informing the reader that the ground floor is the first floor.

[Wickerman]

Simon, you need to take this to a draftsman. You are completely mistaken.

There are several Keys to the notations used, today we would call it a Legend or Table.
Here the "1st" as a notation is explained as applicable to openings in walls.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Richard,

As this is a British plan, I would think it follows British floor notations and that the notation reads "GF." If it read 1st, [meaning 1st floor] Prater's door would be a third of the way up the building.

Of course, we could all be wrong. The door might be indicated by the slash mark "/", with the "ST" or "GF" meaning something completely different.

This Goad legend is not helpful in this matter.



Rob Clack's our man for this.

Regards,

Simon

[Wickerman]

Would that be an original door, Jon? and would this suggest a likely place for the stairs?

As this map is dated 1890, all we can say is that the passage door existed in 1890, whether it was original at point of construction, or added sometime prior to 1890 is not possible to say from this map.
Front and rear access doors & windows are assumed (according to the Key), which is why they are not shown.

I used a smaller red circle to identify what might be Kelly's door. It is difficult to say for certain, but there appears to be a very small erasure at the point where I drew the smaller red circle, which 'may' be consistent with her side door being a revision from the original plan.

[Wickerman]

Here's another example of "1st", meaning the access applies to the 1st floor (Ground) only.



Blue circle = 1st
Red circle = 3rd.

The reason '1st' floor is used as opposed to Ground floor is because Goad was from Canada and used American notation throughout his maps.
Goad was born in UK but pursued his profession in Canada, before returning to the UK to produce these maps.

[richardh]

Hang on, Jon is saying the notation reads '1st' and Simon, you are saying it reads 'GF'. Which is it?

This screenshot from another area of the map is quite clear:


compare :

The notation by the doorway in the passage reads "GF." Ground floor.

For clarity —

In Britain the floor of a building at street level is called the ground floor. The floor above it is the first floor and the floor below is called the basement.

In America the floor at street level is usually called the first floor.

Regards,

Simon

[richardh]

Would that be an original door, Jon? and would this suggest a likely place for the stairs?

The door to upstairs within the passage is identified below in the large red circle - the notation only indicates "1st", which means the only level where access exists is at street level (1st = Ground floor).



If there was access from 27 to 26 through an upper floor the notation would indicate this.

[Simon Wood]

The notation by the doorway in the passage reads "GF." Ground floor.

For clarity —

In Britain the floor of a building at street level is called the ground floor. The floor above it is the first floor and the floor below is called the basement.

In America the floor at street level is usually called the first floor.

Regards,

Simon

[Wickerman]

That is completely out of whack.

Take it to another draftsman, they will only tell you what I am telling you.

[DJA]

That is completely out of whack.

[Wickerman]

The Goad map has a few inconsistencies in 26 like the position of the door to the stairs and the passage in the house is central.

Still surmise greater use of the attic space at 27. Prolly didn't count 1/4s.

The door to upstairs within the passage is identified below in the large red circle - the notation only indicates "1st", which means the only level where access exists is at street level (1st = Ground floor).



If there was access from 27 to 26 through an upper floor the notation would indicate this.

[Wickerman]

Duh!
The response by Kate C. lower down on this link says that No.44 was rebuilt in the 1890's., so it does seem to be later than the Goad Plan.

http://spitalfieldslife.com/2010/08/02/jim-howetts-spitalfields-shopfronts/

[Wickerman]

We can see that No.44, the house without an upper storey is constructed from very different brick. We might assume it is a later construction than Nos.42 & 40.
We cannot be sure No.44 is the house represented on the 1890 Goad Plan.

Regards, Jon

Brushfield Street showing numbers 40,42 & 44 :



Source

On Goad, they are 3.5 levels so I guess the attic space is the extra 0.5 for these buildings. So why is Number 26 described on Goad as only '3' when clearly, on the sketches and photos we can see an attic window AND both 26 and 27 Dorset street share the same roof (same height)?