ORIGINAL doors in Miller's court

[jerryd]

There is a thread, Praters Stairs, where we discussed the Kate Marshall case, and the details it provided.
http://forum.casebook.org/showthread...=kate+mitchell
Compromises had to be made, not everything is crystal clear.

Something to keep you out of trouble this weekend

Thanks Wick,

My post from a couple of days ago was referring to the use of the wording 1st floor as the floor above ground floor as indicated by David Roberts in the Marshall case. I thought you felt the 1st floor was the ground floor because of the goad map. I think I was mistaken in what you were trying to say in your exchange with Simon. That's all.

I've wracked my brain enough over the layout of #26 Dorset Street. No need to ruin my weekend over it. haha

[Wickerman]

Wick,

During the Kate Marshall murder case the floor above ground level is referred to as the first floor at #26 Dorset Street and indicated by the fact Davis Roberts said he went to the landing. No?

There is a thread, Praters Stairs, where we discussed the Kate Marshall case, and the details it provided.
http://forum.casebook.org/showthread...=kate+mitchell
Compromises had to be made, not everything is crystal clear.

Something to keep you out of trouble this weekend

[DJA]

Was fortunate to work on this refit over a quarter of a century ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryant...ory,_Melbourne

[DJA]

I do understand that.
They are stairs though. Not a biggie as far as actual construction goes.
Current model blocks my hallway
All the Best!

[Wickerman]

Reckon there was a side hallway,as you know.
Suspect the back stairs ran partway across the building,not along it.

Dave.

The most expedient and cost effective way to bring the stairs up through the floor above is to place the stairs so they enter the next level between the main joists.
The main joists at No.26 & 27 ran east-west, with the apex of the house.

This is why we turned the stairs after the mezzanine in the 3D model.

We have an example in the house at 29 Hanbury St. but without the mezzanine.
We see the stairs run along the sidewall of the house, then turn to enter the next level between the joists, as it should be.

[barnflatwyngarde]

Okay.
Bytheby, the room I'm in now is just shy of 7th hight with the doors at 6'3" although I do live in a cottage with low downstairs ceilings and super high upstairs ones!

My stairs (in my house) are 3ft wide, 8" high x 9" deep. Cottage is OLD over 130 years.

Ok Richard, you've sold me.

I would like to book your cottage for the first two weeks in August.

Do you allow dogs?

🙂

[richardh]

Okay.
Bytheby, the room I'm in now is just shy of 7th hight with the doors at 6'3" although I do live in a cottage with low downstairs ceilings and super high upstairs ones!

My stairs (in my house) are 3ft wide, 8" high x 9" deep. Cottage is OLD over 130 years.

Especially in a townhouse like that.

Have a look at the street 'photos of Dorset Street.
If most of those people are 5' tall,9 feet is probably a conservative guess.

13 Miller's Court was over 8',minimum.

[DJA]

Especially in a townhouse like that.

Have a look at the street 'photos of Dorset Street.
If most of those people are 5' tall,9 feet is probably a conservative guess.

13 Miller's Court was over 8',minimum.

[richardh]

Geez! Really?

Try 9 feet. Really.

[DJA]

Try 9 feet. Really.

[richardh]

Question:
Is 8'6" a bit too high for the ceilings? because at the moment that's what I have used for my current model. It seems really high!

[DJA]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panelling

One person's wainscoting is another's wooden partitions.

It would be interesting to find any Census records for 1851/61/71.

[Joshua Rogan]

For a luxury townhouse,that is a very inefficient waste of space.

Since all mentions of internal walls seem to say they were just wooden partitions (one mention in the Marshall trial of wainscotting), does this indicate that the entire original building was gutted when it was divided into flats by Miller?

[Joshua Rogan]

Hi Joshua.
If I recall....both Mrs Roberts & Kate Marshall fell at the top of the stairs.
Didn't Mrs Roberts fall against her husband, while it was Kate Marshall who fell on the landing?

Yes, Mrs Roberts pushed past them as they struggled (Marshall on the floor) against Amory's partition, getting blood on his shirt. Then she collapsed at the top of the stairs at Amory's door. At least, that's how I read it.

Roberts: "she came out and fell against me in the passage—she squeezed through us—I let her go by to get assistance, and when she got to the top of the staircase she fell"

Amory: "I saw the deceased coming out of her own door when I opened my door—I could see her door from where I was standing—Roberts and the prisoner were struggling on the right-hand side of my door, in the corner—the prisoner was sitting down on the floor, and Roberts held her two wrists—Mrs. Roberts fell at my door."

To me, this shows that Amory's door was on the landing at the top of the stairs, and so would have been passed by anyone going to or from room 19.

[DJA]

Dave.

This 3D model was the last version from Richard that I know of.
Richard, myself, and a number of other members provided input. I think it is pretty close to reality.

Reckon that is a marvelous interpretation and may well be very close.

We know from photos that 13 was completely outside of the passage.
Wonder if the passage gap/door is another door to the stairs part way across the building.

For a luxury townhouse,that is a very inefficient waste of space.
Probably born out by the chimneys,which are likely to be one a room or possibly two if there is a double room.


Reckon there was a side hallway,as you know.
Suspect the back stairs ran partway across the building,not along it.

Keep up the Good Work!