Why No Stride Mutilations ?

[Abby Normal]

But it makes him a better suspect than JTR based on the differences in the MO

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except that all the witnesses that night describe a man in a peaked cap including the ones at eddowes scene, pointing to them probably being the same man and considering all the events surrounding the hectic scene of the stride murder location, the change in MO is due to the fact that the ripper was interupted and didnt feel safe continuing with the mutilations. Really Trevor, being a former detective its really quite surprising you continually miss these clues.

[Trevor Marriott]

hi GB
i think sugden pretty much cleared up who the koz witness was-it was lawende. he found an article about the Koz ID that referred to the witness as the same man who was the witness at the eddowes murder.

But that dosnt make sense seeing as the Met supposedly organised the parade and Lawende was a City witness for the Eddowes murder, and the fact that Major Smith makes no mention of any such parade taking place or any form of positive identification of the killer, and also the fact that no other Met witnesses were involved,

Lawende got no more of a better look than many of the other witnesses

Again it casts a major doubt about the marginalia

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[Trevor Marriott]

except that all the witnesses that night describe a man in a peaked cap including the ones at eddowes scene, pointing to them probably being the same man and considering all the events surrounding the hectic scene of the stride murder location, the change in MO is due to the fact that the ripper was interupted and didnt feel safe continuing with the mutilations. Really Trevor, being a former detective its really quite surprising you continually miss these clues.

But they dont the decsription of the man given by Schwartz is differnet to the one give by the other witness one describes a hard felt hat and the other describes a black cap,

And it seems I have to highlight the clues you fail to see before you post derogatory comments !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Abby Normal]

But they dont the decsription of the man given by Schwartz is differnet to the one give by the other witness one describes a hard felt hat and the other describes a black cap,

And it seems I have to highlight the clues you fail to see before you post derogatory comments !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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schwartz, marshall, smith and lawende and co all describe the suspect as wearing a peaked cap.

[Harry D]

There were three cutthroat murders that night. One was a domestic incident. The other two were apparently motiveless. Probability-wise, the odds of all three being unconnected must be remote. And while it's an old chestnut, I do suspect the killer compensated for Stride's lack of mutilations when he butchered Eddowes.

[Herlock Sholmes]

schwartz, marshall, smith and lawende and co all describe the suspect as wearing a peaked cap.

Abby if this case is ever solved I’m going to buy you a peaked cap and ship it over to you.

[C. F. Leon]

Abby if this case is ever solved I’m going to buy you a peaked cap and ship it over to you.

Setting the bar a bit low there, eh, Herlock?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Setting the bar a bit low there, eh, Herlock?

Just call me Ebenezer Sholmes.

[JeffHamm]

Hi Jeff,

Maybe we are overlooking the obvious? Was Schwartz Anderson's witness, and he refused to testify at the Inquest against the suspect he was shown, and whom he identified as BSMan, because he was a fellow Jew as indicated in Swanson's memoirs?

Best regards, George

Hi George,

That's possible I suppose, but isn't the identification of the suspect by Anderson's witness suppose to have ended the murders as well, and Kelly was still to come. Memoirs can be error prone of course, but it seems to me that if the police had Schwartz ID and he only balked at swearing to it, then there would have been a quick arrest after the Kelly murder (they would know where to go on the day). Personally, I get the feeling that Anderson's witness was just not as sure of the identification as the memoirs suggest they were initially, and frustration combined with prejudice taints the presentation so it can be presented as if the police had solved the case but were stymied at the finish by a witness protecting their own against gentile justice. Personally, I suspect the witness didn't swear to it because they truly were unsure, which would indeed be quite frustrating for the police if they had their suspicions but to make a case they needed a solid ID only to find that their witness couldn't truthfully provide that. But of course, that's just my interpretation/reading of the Seaside identification.

- Jeff

[JeffHamm]

But they dont the decsription of the man given by Schwartz is differnet to the one give by the other witness one describes a hard felt hat and the other describes a black cap,

And it seems I have to highlight the clues you fail to see before you post derogatory comments !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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So, witnesses testimony about clothing worn is safe now?

- Jeff

[Trevor Marriott]

schwartz, marshall, smith and lawende and co all describe the suspect as wearing a peaked cap.

I was referring to the Stride murder only, in Swansons report he refers to the two men one being the decsription of Schwartz and the other the unidentifed man who he states could not be one and the same for the reasons stated.

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[Trevor Marriott]

So, witnesses testimony about clothing worn is safe now?

- Jeff

No just clarified !!!!!!

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[Trevor Marriott]

There were three cutthroat murders that night. One was a domestic incident. The other two were apparently motiveless. Probability-wise, the odds of all three being unconnected must be remote. And while it's an old chestnut, I do suspect the killer compensated for Stride's lack of mutilations when he butchered Eddowes.

But the killer of Stride could have carried out the thoat cutting in a matter of seconds, and equally the same length of time to stab her abdomen repeatedly !!!!!!!!!!

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[Abby Normal]

Abby if this case is ever solved I’m going to buy you a peaked cap and ship it over to you.

thanks! but only if the ripper was one of tje suspects that had a peaked cap! but im sure he was. : )
But please, ive enough baseball caps, so ill take one "like what a sailor would wear." ; )

[Abby Normal]

But the killer of Stride could have carried out the thoat cutting in a matter of seconds, and equally the same length of time to stab her abdomen repeatedly !!!!!!!!!!

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at the same time?lol