Why No Stride Mutilations ?

[Abby Normal]

Because domestic murders are more common than random ones. There was no clear suspect in either Liz or Kate's murders, and both of their backgrounds were investigated.

except the ripper- based on sig and MO and a seen suspect wearing a peaked cap at both murder sites.

and theres nothing nada zilch to implicate kidney in strides murder. Its just trevor ignoring the basic facts again and chasing fairy tales.

[Mark J D]

... But there was three murders that night all of women who had their throats cut...

Who was the third one, and where? Anyone want to say?

M.

[Wickerman]

Your quite right Trevor. Smith's description was of a hard felt deerstalker which looked more like a Fedora than the peaked cloth deerstalker made popular by Sherlock Holmes. The others described a peaked cap.

Cheers, George

The odd thing is, there is no such thing as a hard-felt Deerstalker, they are all cloth caps that are folded up to put in a pocket.
PC Smith's original description, published prior to the inquest, was of a hard felt hat, like a Bowler or a Wideawake type.
There doesn't seem to be a simple explanation for the change of hat.

[Wickerman]

For a start, there is a conflict with his testimony and other witnesses testimony which you clearly havent discovered

If he had killed her he had every reason to lie thats what guilty people do to cover up their crimes

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

But you seem to be arguing that a guilty person just walks into an inquest in front of police, press & public, risking being identified by any of the witnesses, and just pretends to be innocent. Kidney had no idea who was to show up in court, the idea is ridiculous to say the least.

[Wickerman]

Who was the third one, and where? Anyone want to say?

M.

James Brown - an unrelated murder.

https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18881022-name-174&div=t18881022-955

Douglas strongly supports the Double Event theory. He reasons that that two unrelated murders occurring in such close proximity on the same evening would be too much of a coincidence, and therefore that they were both committed by the same hand. So does John Douglas think that John Brown is Jack the Ripper?

Who is John Brown? Brown murdered his wife Sarah on the evening of September 29, 1888. His deed occurred two hours and three miles from the Double Event. Yet you’ll never hear Brown mentioned as a suspect. And rightfully not—just because he committed a murder on the same evening as two others doesn’t mean he committed all three. Location isn’t always a factor in murders. The only thing linking the Double Event is proximity.

https://listverse.com/2014/02/21/10-things-you-probably-dont-know-about-jack-the-ripper/

It's the first story in Evans & Skinner, Ultimate, chapter 7, 2000.

[Parisi North Humber]

I know as a newbie I'll probably get flamed by more seasoned members especially those with set theories however I do believe the murderer was unsettled (not nessacerrily disrupted) by somebodies coming and goings that night. I'm not sure if Stride was one of JTRs victims, a domestic murder or an act of violence but a couple of points that may or may not have been discussed:
Liz was

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[Parisi North Humber]

Oh my.....sorry my digitizer is shot and my phone does random things. Liz was gussied up, wether to meet a date or to attract clientele, it doesn't seem likely she was making pretty for Kidney if they have the type of relationship postulated. As such M Kidney could have spotted her and got jelous, could have demonstrated with her about not giving a percentage of her takings or may have not been anywhere near her...I'm open minded on Stride however I don't know if it has been suggested here that caschouk

[Parisi North Humber]

And it did it again.
so keeping short.
Caschous where not just used to sweeten the breath, but also used to take away nasy tastes.
I'm going now before my phone makes up a ripper data profile for me.

Helen x

[Aethelwulf]

if BS man wasn't Jtr and shouted the lipski comment, where does that leave the GSG (don't need to hear anymore about trevor's makeshift sanitary towels and hair pins thank you)

[Trevor Marriott]

if BS man wasn't Jtr and shouted the lipski comment, where does that leave the GSG (don't need to hear anymore about trevor's makeshift sanitary towels and hair pins thank you)

JTR did not write the graffiti will that do you ?

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Trevor Marriott]

But you seem to be arguing that a guilty person just walks into an inquest in front of police, press & public, risking being identified by any of the witnesses, and just pretends to be innocent. Kidney had no idea who was to show up in court, the idea is ridiculous to say the least.

Its not ridiculous someone killed Stride and it was not JTR

The witnesses only got brief glimpses of these men seen with Stride and we do not know if either of them were the killer it was dark and so any form of identification would be suspect and we have almost a 15 minute window in which Stride could have met her killer and it need not have been the two seen in close proximity to her. So Kidney should not be ruled out on that basis.

You cannot ignore the fact thats his previous history with her shows a propensity towards violence and he might have made sure he wasnt seen so he would not needed have been worried about appearing in court.

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Herlock Sholmes]

JTR did not write the graffiti will that do you ?

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

Fact or opinion?

[Harry D]

except the ripper- based on sig and MO and a seen suspect wearing a peaked cap at both murder sites.

Obviously, I meant a named suspect, Abby!

[Wickerman]

Its not ridiculous someone killed Stride and it was not JTR

True, but that is not what I wrote.

The witnesses only got brief glimpses of these men seen with Stride and we do not know if either of them were the killer it was dark and so any form of identification would be suspect and we have almost a 15 minute window in which Stride could have met her killer and it need not have been the two seen in close proximity to her. So Kidney should not be ruled out on that basis.

...and that was not the basis I used either.

You cannot ignore the fact thats his previous history with her shows a propensity towards violence and he might have made sure he wasnt seen so he would not needed have been worried about appearing in court.

But domestic violence was common place in this period and especially in this part of town. You are implying it was unique enough to make Kidney a suspect, which is not true.

[Abby Normal]

Obviously, I meant a named suspect, Abby!

no i know, i wasnt ragging on you, just pointing out the difference (and agreeing with you, and not trevor)between the domestic who they knew exactly who the killer was and stride and eddowes, who, while they dont know exactly who killed her, knew it was an active serial killer.