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  • Abby Normal
    Commissioner
    • Jun 2010
    • 11900

    #136
    Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post

    But it makes him a better suspect than JTR based on the differences in the MO

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    except that all the witnesses that night describe a man in a peaked cap including the ones at eddowes scene, pointing to them probably being the same man and considering all the events surrounding the hectic scene of the stride murder location, the change in MO is due to the fact that the ripper was interupted and didnt feel safe continuing with the mutilations. Really Trevor, being a former detective its really quite surprising you continually miss these clues.
    "Is all that we see or seem
    but a dream within a dream?"

    -Edgar Allan Poe


    "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
    quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

    -Frederick G. Abberline

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    • Trevor Marriott
      Commissioner
      • Feb 2008
      • 9449

      #137
      Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

      hi GB
      i think sugden pretty much cleared up who the koz witness was-it was lawende. he found an article about the Koz ID that referred to the witness as the same man who was the witness at the eddowes murder.
      But that dosnt make sense seeing as the Met supposedly organised the parade and Lawende was a City witness for the Eddowes murder, and the fact that Major Smith makes no mention of any such parade taking place or any form of positive identification of the killer, and also the fact that no other Met witnesses were involved,

      Lawende got no more of a better look than many of the other witnesses

      Again it casts a major doubt about the marginalia

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      • Trevor Marriott
        Commissioner
        • Feb 2008
        • 9449

        #138
        Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

        except that all the witnesses that night describe a man in a peaked cap including the ones at eddowes scene, pointing to them probably being the same man and considering all the events surrounding the hectic scene of the stride murder location, the change in MO is due to the fact that the ripper was interupted and didnt feel safe continuing with the mutilations. Really Trevor, being a former detective its really quite surprising you continually miss these clues.
        But they dont the decsription of the man given by Schwartz is differnet to the one give by the other witness one describes a hard felt hat and the other describes a black cap,

        And it seems I have to highlight the clues you fail to see before you post derogatory comments !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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        • Abby Normal
          Commissioner
          • Jun 2010
          • 11900

          #139
          Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post

          But they dont the decsription of the man given by Schwartz is differnet to the one give by the other witness one describes a hard felt hat and the other describes a black cap,

          And it seems I have to highlight the clues you fail to see before you post derogatory comments !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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          schwartz, marshall, smith and lawende and co all describe the suspect as wearing a peaked cap.
          "Is all that we see or seem
          but a dream within a dream?"

          -Edgar Allan Poe


          "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
          quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

          -Frederick G. Abberline

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          • Harry D
            *
            • May 2014
            • 3360

            #140
            There were three cutthroat murders that night. One was a domestic incident. The other two were apparently motiveless. Probability-wise, the odds of all three being unconnected must be remote. And while it's an old chestnut, I do suspect the killer compensated for Stride's lack of mutilations when he butchered Eddowes.

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            • Herlock Sholmes
              Commissioner
              • May 2017
              • 21801

              #141
              Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

              schwartz, marshall, smith and lawende and co all describe the suspect as wearing a peaked cap.
              Abby if this case is ever solved I’m going to buy you a peaked cap and ship it over to you.
              Regards

              Sir Herlock Sholmes.

              “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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              • C. F. Leon
                Detective
                • May 2012
                • 350

                #142
                Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

                Abby if this case is ever solved I’m going to buy you a peaked cap and ship it over to you.
                Setting the bar a bit low there, eh, Herlock?

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                • Herlock Sholmes
                  Commissioner
                  • May 2017
                  • 21801

                  #143
                  Originally posted by C. F. Leon View Post

                  Setting the bar a bit low there, eh, Herlock?
                  Just call me Ebenezer Sholmes.
                  Regards

                  Sir Herlock Sholmes.

                  “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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                  • JeffHamm
                    Commissioner
                    • Jul 2011
                    • 4095

                    #144
                    Originally posted by GBinOz View Post

                    Hi Jeff,

                    Maybe we are overlooking the obvious? Was Schwartz Anderson's witness, and he refused to testify at the Inquest against the suspect he was shown, and whom he identified as BSMan, because he was a fellow Jew as indicated in Swanson's memoirs?

                    Best regards, George
                    Hi George,

                    That's possible I suppose, but isn't the identification of the suspect by Anderson's witness suppose to have ended the murders as well, and Kelly was still to come. Memoirs can be error prone of course, but it seems to me that if the police had Schwartz ID and he only balked at swearing to it, then there would have been a quick arrest after the Kelly murder (they would know where to go on the day). Personally, I get the feeling that Anderson's witness was just not as sure of the identification as the memoirs suggest they were initially, and frustration combined with prejudice taints the presentation so it can be presented as if the police had solved the case but were stymied at the finish by a witness protecting their own against gentile justice. Personally, I suspect the witness didn't swear to it because they truly were unsure, which would indeed be quite frustrating for the police if they had their suspicions but to make a case they needed a solid ID only to find that their witness couldn't truthfully provide that. But of course, that's just my interpretation/reading of the Seaside identification.

                    - Jeff

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                    • JeffHamm
                      Commissioner
                      • Jul 2011
                      • 4095

                      #145
                      Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post

                      But they dont the decsription of the man given by Schwartz is differnet to the one give by the other witness one describes a hard felt hat and the other describes a black cap,

                      And it seems I have to highlight the clues you fail to see before you post derogatory comments !!!!!!!!!!!!!

                      www.trevormarriott.co.uk
                      So, witnesses testimony about clothing worn is safe now?

                      - Jeff

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                      • Trevor Marriott
                        Commissioner
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 9449

                        #146
                        Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

                        schwartz, marshall, smith and lawende and co all describe the suspect as wearing a peaked cap.
                        I was referring to the Stride murder only, in Swansons report he refers to the two men one being the decsription of Schwartz and the other the unidentifed man who he states could not be one and the same for the reasons stated.


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                        • Trevor Marriott
                          Commissioner
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 9449

                          #147
                          Originally posted by JeffHamm View Post

                          So, witnesses testimony about clothing worn is safe now?

                          - Jeff
                          No just clarified !!!!!!

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                          • Trevor Marriott
                            Commissioner
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 9449

                            #148
                            Originally posted by Harry D View Post
                            There were three cutthroat murders that night. One was a domestic incident. The other two were apparently motiveless. Probability-wise, the odds of all three being unconnected must be remote. And while it's an old chestnut, I do suspect the killer compensated for Stride's lack of mutilations when he butchered Eddowes.
                            But the killer of Stride could have carried out the thoat cutting in a matter of seconds, and equally the same length of time to stab her abdomen repeatedly !!!!!!!!!!

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                            • Abby Normal
                              Commissioner
                              • Jun 2010
                              • 11900

                              #149
                              Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

                              Abby if this case is ever solved I’m going to buy you a peaked cap and ship it over to you.
                              thanks! but only if the ripper was one of tje suspects that had a peaked cap! but im sure he was. : )
                              But please, ive enough baseball caps, so ill take one "like what a sailor would wear." ; )
                              Last edited by Abby Normal; 06-06-2022, 10:08 PM.
                              "Is all that we see or seem
                              but a dream within a dream?"

                              -Edgar Allan Poe


                              "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                              quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                              -Frederick G. Abberline

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                              • Abby Normal
                                Commissioner
                                • Jun 2010
                                • 11900

                                #150
                                Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post

                                But the killer of Stride could have carried out the thoat cutting in a matter of seconds, and equally the same length of time to stab her abdomen repeatedly !!!!!!!!!!

                                www.trevormarriott.co.uk
                                at the same time?lol
                                "Is all that we see or seem
                                but a dream within a dream?"

                                -Edgar Allan Poe


                                "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                                quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                                -Frederick G. Abberline

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