Stride Bruising

[Errata]

Am I really the only one who doesn't think the marks on Liz Stride were bruises?

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Errata!

Am I really the only one who doesn't think the marks on Liz Stride were bruises?

I should imagine not. I'm not convinced one way or the other presently, but there is merit to the exercise I do believe. Nice to see others from TN here, by the by.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

One version has "footpath" if I recall properly.

"That could account for the lack of mud."

perhaps. But what of the wetness?

Cheers.
LC[/QUOTE]

Well if it was the pavement then it may have simply not been wet. Which would indicate a two staged assault or two seperate incidents. Also, I enjoyed your demonstration. Great moustache! Interesting scenario too!

[lynn cates]

peri-mortem

Hello Errata.

"Am I really the only one who doesn't think the marks on Liz Stride were bruises?"

You mean the shoulders? They seem congruent with peri-mortem bruising. Of course, the doctors weren't entirely certain that they were relevant to her demise.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

rain

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

"Well if it was the pavement then it may have simply not been wet."

Of course, it had rained there only about an hour before.

"Also, I enjoyed your demonstration. Great moustache! Interesting scenario too!"

Thank you.

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

Am I really the only one who doesn't think the marks on Liz Stride were bruises?

I vaguely recall you mentioning this before.

Ok, is this the exchange you might have in mind?

"The Foreman: Did you notice any marks or bruises about the shoulders? - They were what we call pressure marks. At first they were very obscure, but subsequently they became very evident. They were not what are ordinarily called bruises; neither is there any abrasion. Each shoulder was about equally marked."

Not what are ordinarily called bruises?

[Errata]

I vaguely recall you mentioning this before.

Ok, is this the exchange you might have in mind?

"The Foreman: Did you notice any marks or bruises about the shoulders? - They were what we call pressure marks. At first they were very obscure, but subsequently they became very evident. They were not what are ordinarily called bruises; neither is there any abrasion. Each shoulder was about equally marked."

Not what are ordinarily called bruises?

I'm thinking of two phenomena that often happen at the same time. The first being pressure marks, like the marks a bra or the waistband of underwear can leave behind. The second being the grayish blue staining that comes from wet black material clinging to skin.

[curious4]

Valid reason

His statement said that BSM threw her on the pavement. That could account for the lack of mud. I'm personally becoming more skeptical of Schwartz. But I'm not willing to disregard him yet. More data is needed. He provides a reasonable enough explanation. It's just not quite enough to take it as gospel. Your point being one of many to consider.

Hello DLDWatson,

Schwarz did have a perfectly valid reason for being on Berner street that night. He wanted to check if his wife had managed to move from Berner street to Backchurch lane. Presumably the police would have checked to see if this was true.

Best wishes,
C4

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo C4!

To be oppositional for it's sake, apparently ONLY Schwartz's wife could have corroborated his story as no one else saw him. And she would of had cause to be bias. Like I said, I'm not willing to throw his account to the wind, nor shall I accept it blindly. Maybe Schwartz murdered Stride for all we know. If he was even there that is. Ooo, Death Telepathy. Apologies, sounds cool currently.

[DVV]

Poor Schwartz.
Brave enough to confess how cowardly he ran.
He really should be trusted.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Trust no one

Poor Schwartz.
Brave enough to confess how cowardly he ran.
He really should be trusted.

Well he really couldn't claim to have done much else. A confrontation would've afforded a hell of a look at BSM. To the extent of positive identification one might imagine. And if BSM was the executor of Strides murder one might also imagine it would have resulted in her survival. Now if he saw the murder occur why would he not have relayec that information.Also why delay in reporting the incident? Starts to seems a little Hutchisonee perhaps??? Really starting to prattle now I think.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

For clarity's sake

I am referring to myself when I mentioned the prattling. I love this place everyone is always engaged in Ripper-related topics. I can only annoy to a certain degree. Means I have to up my game.

[Jon Guy]

Hello

Now if he saw the murder occur why would he not have relayec that information..

If he saw the murder occur he may not have realised it.
Have you seen the murder of Meredith Hunter by Hells Angels at the Rolling Stones gig at Altamont. At first look it appears like some kind of scuffle but in reality he was been stabbed.

Also why delay in reporting the incident?

Was there a delay in reporting what he`d seen? He went to the Police station to make a statement on the Sunday afternoon.

[Jon Guy]

Hi Lynn

Biting the tongue could be one such sign.

Could be. But the finger marks on the throat, as pointed out by C4, are much more significant.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hello
Was there a delay in reporting what he`d seen? He went to the Police station to make a statement on the Sunday afternoon.

Thank you. Brain is jumbled. Since the murder occured in what was quite a dark yard, he wouldn't have able to see the deed. Once he was aware he reported the incident.