From Mitre Square to Goulston Street - Some thoughts.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

No one can adjudicate over the meaning of a subjective phrase written 100 years ago. To suggest one can is unrealistic and I suggest a touch disingenuous .

I also suggest you check the actual record of said individual.

You mean the meaning of the phrase a very short time may have changed radically since 1888?

On what ground?

As you are suggesting that Swanson may have meant a period of about seven months when he wrote a very short time, then do you accept that he would have meant a period of a year or more had he used the phrase a short time?

[Elamarna]

Why don't we ask our resident ex-detective to adjudicate?

After all, the question relates to police surveillance of a suspect.

No one can adjudicate over the meaning of a subjective phrase written 100 years ago. To suggest one can is unrealistic and I suggest a touch disingenuous .

I also suggest you check the actual record of said individual.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Do you not accept that it's a subjective phrase?
That such as no clear meaning?

Yes or no will do.

Yet, you wish me to spend my time researching , who knows how many hundreds of thousands of police reports,( if they are actually available) to find examples to fit that very specific criteria?

I have better and more constructive research to do.

Why don't we ask our resident ex-detective to adjudicate?

After all, the question relates to police surveillance of a suspect.

[Elamarna]

Can you give any examples of a very short time being used when referring to suspects being kept under police surveillance for a period as long as seven months?

Do you not accept that it's a subjective phrase?
That such as no clear meaning?

Yes or no will do.

Yet, you wish me to spend my time researching , who knows how many hundreds of thousands of police reports,( if they are actually available) to find examples to fit that very specific criteria?

I have better and more constructive research to do.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

That you believe you can define what that phrase means is indeed amusing, it is also rather sad.

Can you give any examples of a very short time being used when referring to suspects being kept under police surveillance for a period as long as seven months?

[Elamarna]

Some people may find it amusing that you would suggest that anyone would use the phrase a very short time to mean a period as long as seven months.

Can you give any examples of a very short time being used in that way when referring to suspects being kept under police surveillance?

That you believe you can define what that phrase means is indeed amusing, it is also rather sad.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

A subjective phrase, which means different things to different people.
That you believe you can define what was intended is not only concerning, but highly amusing

Some people may find it amusing that you would suggest that anyone would use the phrase a very short time to mean a period as long as seven months.

Can you give any examples of a very short time being used in that way when referring to suspects being kept under police surveillance?

[Elamarna]

very shortly after

in the Times report quoted by Jeff Hamm in # 336 means about one and a quarter hours - not about seven months.

A subjective phrase, which means different things to different people.
That you believe you can define what was intended is not only concerning, but highly amusing

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

very shortly after

in the Times report quoted by Jeff Hamm in # 336 means about one and a quarter hours - not about seven months.

[Aethelwulf]

Yet not one medical officer at the Inquest agrees with you.

Must have missed the bit from the inquest that said surgery had been performed on her face. She'd be badly bruised on the back of the head if she'd been dragged from a building and across the flags. There'd be bruises around her ankles where she'd been gripped and dragged outside.

Credit for taking a load of totally unrelated points and joining them up to come up with something so entertaining.

[DJA]

She was murdered there, strangled so there was no spray.

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Yet not one medical officer at the Inquest agrees with you.

[DJA]

6 Mitre Street.

[Aethelwulf]

So you believe she was murdered elsewhere?

She was murdered there, strangled so there was no spray.

DJA is making this into some sort of parlour game farce. Colonel mustard, mitre square, scalpel.

[FISHY1118]

So you believe she was murdered elsewhere?

[DJA]

Dr. Frederick Gordon Brown was then called, and deposed: I am surgeon to the City of London Police. I was called shortly after two o'clock on Sunday morning, and reached the place of the murder about twenty minutes past two. My attention was directed to the body of the deceased. It was lying in the position described by Watkins, on its back, the head turned to the left shoulder, the arms by the side of the body, as if they had fallen there. Both palms were upwards, the fingers slightly bent. A thimble was lying near. The clothes were thrown up. The bonnet was at the back of the head. There was great disfigurement of the face. The throat was cut across. Below the cut was a neckerchief. The upper part of the dress had been torn open. The body had been mutilated, and was quite warm - no rigor mortis. The crime must have been committed within half an hour, or certainly within forty minutes from the time when I saw the body. There were no stains of blood on the bricks or pavement around.
By Mr. Crawford: There was no blood on the front of the clothes. There was not a speck of blood on the front of the jacket.