From Mitre Square to Goulston Street - Some thoughts.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

very shortly after

in the Times report quoted by Jeff Hamm in # 336 means about one and a quarter hours - not about seven months.

[Aethelwulf]

Yet not one medical officer at the Inquest agrees with you.

Must have missed the bit from the inquest that said surgery had been performed on her face. She'd be badly bruised on the back of the head if she'd been dragged from a building and across the flags. There'd be bruises around her ankles where she'd been gripped and dragged outside.

Credit for taking a load of totally unrelated points and joining them up to come up with something so entertaining.

[DJA]

She was murdered there, strangled so there was no spray.

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Yet not one medical officer at the Inquest agrees with you.

[DJA]

6 Mitre Street.

[Aethelwulf]

So you believe she was murdered elsewhere?

She was murdered there, strangled so there was no spray.

DJA is making this into some sort of parlour game farce. Colonel mustard, mitre square, scalpel.

[FISHY1118]

So you believe she was murdered elsewhere?

[DJA]

Dr. Frederick Gordon Brown was then called, and deposed: I am surgeon to the City of London Police. I was called shortly after two o'clock on Sunday morning, and reached the place of the murder about twenty minutes past two. My attention was directed to the body of the deceased. It was lying in the position described by Watkins, on its back, the head turned to the left shoulder, the arms by the side of the body, as if they had fallen there. Both palms were upwards, the fingers slightly bent. A thimble was lying near. The clothes were thrown up. The bonnet was at the back of the head. There was great disfigurement of the face. The throat was cut across. Below the cut was a neckerchief. The upper part of the dress had been torn open. The body had been mutilated, and was quite warm - no rigor mortis. The crime must have been committed within half an hour, or certainly within forty minutes from the time when I saw the body. There were no stains of blood on the bricks or pavement around.
By Mr. Crawford: There was no blood on the front of the clothes. There was not a speck of blood on the front of the jacket.

[DJA]

How does that fit in tho with the absolute positive inquest testimony that Eddowes was killed where she was found ?

Do you disagree with such a statement from medical professionals at the time ?

If she was murdered in Mitre Square proper,there would have been blood spray marks.

[FISHY1118]

He cut the eyelids indoors with a small scalpel.He required light.Too dark in Mitre Square.
The cheeks and nose cuts denote the initial infection sites of the bacteria that caused rheumatic fever in 1887.The nose runs like a tap at first.

How does that fit in tho with the absolute positive inquest testimony that Eddowes was killed where she was found ?

Do you disagree with such a statement from medical professionals at the time ?

[DJA]

[Aethelwulf]

He cut the eyelids indoors with a small scalpel.He required light.Too dark in Mitre Square.
The cheeks and nose cuts denote the initial infection sites of the bacteria that caused rheumatic fever in 1887.The nose runs like a tap at first.

As theories go, this one is totally and utterly ridiculous. That anyone could seriously entertain this is beyond belief.

[DJA]

Hi Dave I'm not sure i follow you here ,are you saying the ripper didn't deliberately make the cuts to Eddowes eyelids and cheeks?

He cut the eyelids indoors with a small scalpel.He required light.Too dark in Mitre Square.
The cheeks and nose cuts denote the initial infection sites of the bacteria that caused rheumatic fever in 1887.The nose runs like a tap at first.

[FISHY1118]

As previously pointed out,the cuts to Eddowes eyes were due to Xanthelasma - Wikipedia

These would have required light and a small scalpel.

As the two pieces of cholesterol were not found in Mitre Square,they were probably still where they were removed before her body was dragged outside.

Guess who was involved in research of the condition!

When time allows,hopefully the whole timeline can be re posted,from Eddowes and Nichols being in London Hospital with rheumatic fever in 1867,re meeting in Thrawl Street August 1888,etc,etc.

Hi Dave I'm not sure i follow you here ,are you saying the ripper didn't deliberately make the cuts to Eddowes eyelids and cheeks?

[DJA]

As previously pointed out,the cuts to Eddowes eyes were due to Xanthelasma - Wikipedia

These would have required light and a small scalpel.

As the two pieces of cholesterol were not found in Mitre Square,they were probably still where they were removed before her body was dragged outside.

Guess who was involved in research of the condition!

When time allows,hopefully the whole timeline can be re posted,from Eddowes and Nichols being in London Hospital with rheumatic fever in 1867,re meeting in Thrawl Street August 1888,etc,etc.

[JeffHamm]

hey jeff
interesting as usual. what the circle look like if we assumed he stayed at his bolt hole for 15 minutes.. to clean up, drop off goodies and knife and grab some chalk?

Hi Abby,

I'm not sure how much it would shrink at the moment. I did this quite some time ago as a very crude analysis just to get a rough idea of what sort of distance we're talking about.

When I get the time, I might plot out a proper set of ovals, with various "wait times" at his bolt hold (i.e. if he went inside for 5 minutes, then this is the maximum distance, a 10 minute wait reduces it to this, and so forth) to plot out a series of ovals.

Even those will be overestimations, of course, because the distances are all based upon direct lines between points, and actual travel doesn't work that way, but really, these are useful to help suggest areas to consider. And, since JtR isn't restricted to only ever travelling at walking pace, maybe a bit larger isn't a bad thing? As with any analysis, understanding the parameters used (otherwise known as the assumptions, but "parameters" sounds less dodgy), is critical when considering the output.

- Jeff