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  • #76
    Henry Gawen Sutton.
    My name is Dave. You cannot reach me through Debs email account

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Leanne View Post
      I don't think they would wait until releasing her to ask her name and address.
      If the police were going to release her,they required her name and address.

      If she refused,she stayed locked up.

      She had previously replied "nothing",sorta like the GSG.
      Oddly police HQ was at 26 OLD Jewry Street. (Juwes,get it )
      English police forces have/had a relatively high percentage of Freemasons,sorta like doctors.
      Last edited by DJA; 07-16-2019, 09:23 PM.
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      • #78
        Originally posted by Joshua Rogan View Post

        As DJA pointed out, the Jewish soup kitchen was behind no.6, but also behind no.5. The archway leading to the kitchen seems to be marked no.4

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        Perhaps number 6 was a 'shed' for homeless Jews that offered relief to gentiles and that's where she intended to spend that night.

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        • #79
          D was for dwelling.Might have been one of the houses she cleaned.
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          • #80
            Originally posted by Leanne View Post

            Perhaps number 6 was a 'shed' for homeless Jews that offered relief to gentiles and that's where she intended to spend that night.
            There is nothing to suggest she went back into Spitalfields after leaving the cells.
            Kind regards, Sam Flynn

            "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post

              There is nothing to suggest she went back into Spitalfields after leaving the cells.
              She may not have made it there. She was dead about an hour after she left Bishopsgate!

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Leanne View Post

                She may not have made it there. She was dead about an hour after she left Bishopsgate!
                Sooner than that, during which time we know that she had first to find her killer (or, rather, vice versa),
                Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
                  The ONLY victim? Who was Mary Kelly blackmailing, then?
                  The facial slashings and the forehead skin flaps seem to be the result of back and forth slashing Sam, which ties in with the speculation that some of the cuts on her arms and hands were defensive wounds. When Kates nose is specifically cut...which, as I believe you have concluded, also left some chevron looking marks on her cheeks, Im not sure that the killer sought to remove it completely. It would have been easy considering its final state. Maybe just a deep cut as a symbol. That he mucked up. Like the 2 ft section of colon. Or that bit of ear.

                  My point being is that the nose specifically was mutilated in Kates case, it could easily have been in Marys case...we'll never know, we didn't see those features in images,..but there is no mention of a specific cut on Marys nose.

                  Theres historical precedent in that area during the LVP for nose cutting as symbol of someone who got their "nose" into someone elses business. IF she had the information she claimed, and the intention to sell it, that would mean selling out that person, someone she claims she knows. Not just has heard of. So, a snitch. Actually quite a good vehicle for fear mongering by the killer(s), they both eliminate someone who could cause ongoing projects or schemes to be disrupted and send a message to the rest of the street community that understood the meaning of it. I believe the Post Office Robbery netted some good money, theres also all sorts of wheeling and dealing in the dark rooms with the Parnell circus in town...all sorts of snitches looking to cash in, a double agent for Irish self rule and HMG cashing in for 5,000 L to tell all. And of course, a nutball who is killing women in the streets, and in prior cases, cutting into them. Jewish socialist Anarchists, Irish self rule factions, regional hoods and thieves, there are a number of communities and or agencies that could have produced this guy. Or he could have been a seemingly benign oddball.

                  But for me, the crimes that most resemble what I interpret as a Jack the Ripper style killing, perhaps 3, very much smack of intimidation and terrorism.
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                  • #84
                    Nonetheless, part of Kelly's nose was cut off, as was the tip of Kate's, among several other facial injuries and the loss of the lobe of one ear. Her nose wasn't particularly targeted at all, and only a small part of it was removed.
                    Last edited by Sam Flynn; 07-17-2019, 11:04 AM.
                    Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                    "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post

                      There is nothing to suggest she went back into Spitalfields after leaving the cells.
                      Except the fact that she said it was were she lived.

                      Jewish Soup Kitchen on fashion street:

                      https://www.bing.com/images/search?v...jaxhist=0&vt=0

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                      • #86
                        Jewish soup kitchen spitalfields

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                        • #87


                          JEWISH SOUP KITCHEN FASHION STREET

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Leanne View Post
                            Except the fact that she said it was were she lived.
                            But it was a false address, and she also gave a false name.

                            There is no reason, and precious little time, to suspect that she went there after her release. If she went to Fashion Street, got some food, tarried there a little while perhaps looking for shelter, then headed back to the vicinity of Mitre Square, that leaves practically no time whatsoever for Jack to spot her, make his move, and walk with her to the site of her murder.
                            Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                            "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Michael W Richards View Post

                              The facial slashings and the forehead skin flaps seem to be the result of back and forth slashing Sam, which ties in with the speculation that some of the cuts on her arms and hands were defensive wounds. When Kates nose is specifically cut...which, as I believe you have concluded, also left some chevron looking marks on her cheeks, Im not sure that the killer sought to remove it completely. It would have been easy considering its final state. Maybe just a deep cut as a symbol. That he mucked up. Like the 2 ft section of colon. Or that bit of ear.

                              My point being is that the nose specifically was mutilated in Kates case, it could easily have been in Marys case...we'll never know, we didn't see those features in images,..but there is no mention of a specific cut on Marys nose.

                              Theres historical precedent in that area during the LVP for nose cutting as symbol of someone who got their "nose" into someone elses business. IF she had the information she claimed, and the intention to sell it, that would mean selling out that person, someone she claims she knows. Not just has heard of. So, a snitch. Actually quite a good vehicle for fear mongering by the killer(s), they both eliminate someone who could cause ongoing projects or schemes to be disrupted and send a message to the rest of the street community that understood the meaning of it. I believe the Post Office Robbery netted some good money, theres also all sorts of wheeling and dealing in the dark rooms with the Parnell circus in town...all sorts of snitches looking to cash in, a double agent for Irish self rule and HMG cashing in for 5,000 L to tell all. And of course, a nutball who is killing women in the streets, and in prior cases, cutting into them. Jewish socialist Anarchists, Irish self rule factions, regional hoods and thieves, there are a number of communities and or agencies that could have produced this guy. Or he could have been a seemingly benign oddball.

                              But for me, the crimes that most resemble what I interpret as a Jack the Ripper style killing, perhaps 3, very much smack of intimidation and terrorism.
                              If there were defensive wounds it shows that she was not strangled first.

                              It also confirms my belief that the wounds to her face were also defensive type wounds, with her trying to avoid the killers knife, and that shows that the nose was not specifically targeted, and that she was not laying down when her throat was finally cut

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
                                Nonetheless, part of Kelly's nose was cut off, as was the tip of Kate's, among several other facial injuries and the loss of the lobe of one ear. Her nose wasn't particularly targeted at all, and only a small part of it was removed.
                                Kellys nose lost a piece in a swing of the knife, Kates was cut with a blade pressed or sliced across, more than just the tip by the stitches shown in the image from the mortuary.. Marys whole face suffered trauma, Kate whole face did not. No marks of her forehead, and by your own theory, the chevrons related to the nose cut. The nose was cut specifically Sam, there is no legitimate argument against that.
                                Last edited by Michael W Richards; 07-17-2019, 02:31 PM.
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