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  • DJA
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    Pretty much.
    Look at how quickly he was switched.The day after Nichol's murder,he was at her Inquest.

    Revisit Mitre Square and reconsider this thread,if Jack the Ripper was a teaching pathologist residing part time at nights in 6 Mitre Street.

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  • Juniper4576
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post
    From Major Henry Smith's book,which is an interesting read.
    Certain he knew who Jack the Ripper was.
    Too smart for his own good.
    Could it be Abberline knew but he was silenced by those above him? Take promotion and and keep it quiet or be disgraced and forced to leave the force?

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  • DJA
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    From Major Henry Smith's book,which is an interesting read.
    Certain he knew who Jack the Ripper was.
    Too smart for his own good.

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  • JeffHamm
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    Originally posted by Juniper4576 View Post

    Via somewhere where his 'trophies' were delivered to?
    (That were wrapped in the piece of apron perhaps)

    Is there any truth in the blood in the public sink? Thee name of the place escapes me at the moment?
    No, I think the blood in the sink is just a myth.

    - Jeff

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  • DJA
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    Originally posted by Juniper4576 View Post

    This, with Henry, who is your suspect and motive?

    I am intrigued to know different peoples theories
    Henry Gawen Sutton.

    Blackmail by the Five.

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  • JeffHamm
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    Originally posted by Scott Nelson View Post

    If he took the escape route through St. James Passage, but didn't enter Mitre Square that way originally, he was likely unaware of the people in the Orange Market until he emerged on that side...then surprise, surprise! He wasn't likely to turn around and go back down through Mitre Square, so he chances it and runs into Watkins.

    Well, maybe. The CPC/entrance is also a strong possibility.
    Yah, but to head via St James after PC Harvey has patrolled church passage is to head sort of towards him, and to by pass the closer exit at mitre street. Can't completely rule it out, but it does feel a bit wrong to me. Just my view of course.

    - Jeff

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  • Juniper4576
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post
    He lived at Sevenoaks,Kent and kept a bolt hole in London,most likely 6 Mitre Street.
    This, with Henry, who is your suspect and motive?

    I am intrigued to know different peoples theories

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  • DJA
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    He lived at Sevenoaks,Kent and kept a bolt hole in London,most likely 6 Mitre Street.

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  • Juniper4576
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post
    Dorset Street.
    Thanks DJA

    And around there is where I believe he lived.

    Looking at the map there alot of places that pop up near there: Flower and Dean Street, Thrawl Street, and even Fashion Street as first mentioned by Kate

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  • DJA
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    Dorset Street.

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  • Juniper4576
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    Originally posted by JeffHamm View Post

    Hi Juniper4576,

    I suspect he had local knowledge. Most serial killers wander around a lot and tend to know the area so I see no reason to suspect the to differ.

    It wouldn't take long to get to Houston, and PC long is sure the apron wasn't there at 2:20, so the may have gone elsewhere first

    - Jeff
    Via somewhere where his 'trophies' were delivered to?
    (That were wrapped in the piece of apron perhaps)

    Is there any truth in the blood in the public sink? Thee name of the place escapes me at the moment?

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  • JeffHamm
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    Originally posted by Juniper4576 View Post
    Hi All

    Do you think Jack used his knowledge of the smaller streets to get away, or used the larger ones, such as Aldgate to disappear into the people that were still up and about at that time of night.

    Jeff

    I'm tending to believe you that he headed towards Bury street and followed it north and then wiggled his way to Goulston Street, discarded the apron, wrote on the wall? and headed home?


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    Hi Juniper4576,

    I suspect he had local knowledge. Most serial killers wander around a lot and tend to know the area so I see no reason to suspect the to differ.

    It wouldn't take long to get to Houston, and PC long is sure the apron wasn't there at 2:20, so the may have gone elsewhere first

    - Jeff

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  • Scott Nelson
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    Originally posted by JeffHamm View Post
    As for the escape route, I see north on Mitre Street most likely given the events occurring around 1:41-1:42 (PC Harvey's patrol and Morris' opening of the door). I tend to think he would want to flee in as direct a line away from Mitre Square as possible, hence continuing north, but that's my own thoughts guiding me and it's JtRs thoughts that are more important, but unknown. Perhaps St. James Place was more attractive to him because there were people there...
    If he took the escape route through St. James Passage, but didn't enter Mitre Square that way originally, he was likely unaware of the people in the Orange Market until he emerged on that side...then surprise, surprise! He wasn't likely to turn around and go back down through Mitre Square, so he chances it and runs into Watkins.

    Well, maybe. The CPC/entrance is also a strong possibility.

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  • Juniper4576
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    Hi All

    Do you think Jack used his knowledge of the smaller streets to get away, or used the larger ones, such as Aldgate to disappear into the people that were still up and about at that time of night.

    Jeff

    I'm tending to believe you that he headed towards Bury street and followed it north and then wiggled his way to Goulston Street, discarded the apron, wrote on the wall? and headed home?


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  • JeffHamm
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    Originally posted by Scott Nelson View Post
    Again, this is the City of London Police's theory. I'm merely repeating it in lieu of finding that press report. Watkins testified at the inquest of seeing nothing out of the ordinary on his round prior to discovering the body, so I don't know what happened or what the Stephen White story was based on, if anything. The news report said it was calculated (by whom?) that seven minutes would have elapsed between Watkins leaving the square to his stepping aside to let a strange man pass around him at the St. James passage to Mitre Square.

    Watkins may have briefly conversed with the firemen at the small station in the orange market, adding additional time to the alleged encounter.
    Ah, that goes to show me about making assumptions. I measured off the distance from entering Mitre Square to exiting St. James Place (similar to the route posted above) and at the estimated patrol speed for Watkins it worked out to be 6 minutes and 24 seconds, and that's certainly close enough to consider 7 minutes a reasonable time. The other portions of his route are straighter, so they "look" longer relatively speaking, making me think he would be further along.

    Anyway, I get that this is a police theory of the day, which is fine. I can't state that all of the possible entrances and/or exits are definately off the books. I think the most evidence leans towards the CPC and Church Passage as the entrance, but want to stress that's not established to the point considering other options should be off the table. After that, we at least know there were people in St. James Place, but must also weigh the fact that Mitre Street is also entirely accessible.

    As for the escape route, I see north on Mitre Street most likely given the events occurring around 1:41-1:42 (PC Harvey's patrol and Morris' opening of the door). I tend to think he would want to flee in as direct a line away from Mitre Square as possible, hence continuing north, but that's my own thoughts guiding me and it's JtRs thoughts that are more important, but unknown. Perhaps St. James Place was more attractive to him because there were people there, so he would no longer stand out and can get to areas where being spotted is less conspicuous. However, I would think he risks having his bloody hands spotted, and he's carrying cloth, and organs, etc, so for the first while simply getting far away and not being seen doing so, would be his priority. I could very well be wrong, of course.

    - Jeff

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