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  • DJA
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    Originally posted by Varqm View Post

    I read post #1468.What was the significance of the uterus (Chapman,Eddowes) though.
    I surmise Chapman had cancer of the uterus and bladder. Both are quite common.
    No doubt about Eddowes,as Jack had cut into her inguinal lymph nodes.

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  • jerryd
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    Originally posted by Christian View Post

    Interesting debate-thread here’s a layout of the buildings in Mitre Square more importantly the first floor of 5 & 6 Mitre Street!!
    Thank you, Christian. I haven't seen that map before. Thanks for posting it.

    Apparently, in Heydemanns yard in 1888, was a lumber shed. Perhaps I'll start a thread that explains my thoughts on the possible significance of that.

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  • Varqm
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post
    So do Eddowes mortuary photos.
    The "chevrons" and the nose cut make it obvious though.
    It is usually the second infection site of rheumatic fever after the throat.


    I read post #1468.What was the significance of the uterus (Chapman,Eddowes) though.

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  • DJA
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    So do Eddowes mortuary photos.
    The "chevrons" and the nose cut make it obvious though.
    It is usually the second infection site of rheumatic fever after the throat.



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  • Varqm
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post

    jerryd is usually pretty good,however he prolly has this idea from The Complete History of Jack the Ripper by Philip Sugden.

    Quite sure Sutton exited Eddowes through the window after removing ......

    Click image for larger version Name:	Xanthelasma picture.jpg Views:	0 Size:	52.4 KB ID:	752413 That would have been done with a small scalpel and lighting.
    In fact the "accidental cuts" point to Jack's identity and his interest in Eddowes,apart from being blackmailed.

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    The question is,would Haydeman and Co refuse a key to the research partner of the Queen's physician,London Hospital pathologist,etc,etc.
    The cuts in Fosters drawing differs from "sinus" image above.

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  • Christian
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post

    Reckon that's an earlier photo than the one I just posted.

    All good.

    Can't get over your "blueprint". Fascinating.
    Thanks mate I have quite a stash of photos it’s my passion

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  • DJA
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    Originally posted by jerryd View Post

    Hi Dave,

    No, not Sugden. Here is a great resource from Debra Arif for the Owners and Occupants in 1888 of Mitre Square, Mitre Street, etc. Owners & Occupiers 1888 Mitre St and Sq - Jack The Ripper Forums - Ripperology For The 21st Century (jtrforums.com)

    Heydemann owned #5 Mitre Street and the yard. As to the gate being locked, Monty posted a source many years ago. (emphasis mine)

    DAILY TELEGRAPH of
    Monday, October 1, 1888, page 5 -


    "The south-west corner is the one which is on the right hand when the square is entered from Mitre-street. On this side, separated from the open public space by a low wall and fence, there is a private yard, which is for the most part roofed in, and is used as a lumber room. This yard, which is some 40 ft. to 50 ft. in depth, and about 30 ft. wide, intervenes between a tall pile of warehouses, six stories high, occupied by Messrs. Horner and Sons, drug merchants, and a block of dwelling houses, with shops on the ground floor, the backs of which look upon the square, and the fronts face Mitre-street. The corner house only is occupied, the tenant being Mr. Taylor, a picture-frame maker, who was absent from home. Therefore the premises, together with those adjoining, were quite empty. In the fence above mentioned there is a door, which opens into the private yard, but it was locked. Near to the door is a coal shoot, and at a distance a couple of arched gratings, giving light to the cellars of the corner houses in Mitre-street. Above these gratings there are two windows, provided with green shutters, which were closed. The woman was lying on the pavement, with her head about eighteen inches from the door in the fence and the coal shoot, and with her legs toward the roadway."

    Thanks Jerry.
    Aware of Deb's research and post.

    Of course the gate was locked

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  • DJA
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    Originally posted by Christian View Post

    This one??
    Reckon that's an earlier photo than the one I just posted.

    All good.

    Can't get over your "blueprint". Fascinating.

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  • jerryd
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post

    jerryd is usually pretty good,however he prolly has this idea from The Complete History of Jack the Ripper by Philip Sugden.

    Quite sure Sutton exited Eddowes through the window after removing ......

    Click image for larger version Name:	Xanthelasma picture.jpg Views:	0 Size:	52.4 KB ID:	752413 That would have been done with a small scalpel and lighting.
    In fact the "accidental cuts" point to Jack's identity and his interest in Eddowes,apart from being blackmailed.

    Click image for larger version Name:	lymph-system-diagram.png Views:	0 Size:	34.5 KB ID:	752414

    Click image for larger version Name:	SINUS2.jpg Views:	0 Size:	36.1 KB ID:	752415

    The question is,would Haydeman and Co refuse a key to the research partner of the Queen's physician,London Hospital pathologist,etc,etc.
    Hi Dave,

    No, not Sugden. Here is a great resource from Debra Arif for the Owners and Occupants in 1888 of Mitre Square, Mitre Street, etc. Owners & Occupiers 1888 Mitre St and Sq - Jack The Ripper Forums - Ripperology For The 21st Century (jtrforums.com)

    Heydemann owned #5 Mitre Street and the yard. As to the gate being locked, Monty posted a source many years ago. (emphasis mine)

    DAILY TELEGRAPH of
    Monday, October 1, 1888, page 5 -


    "The south-west corner is the one which is on the right hand when the square is entered from Mitre-street. On this side, separated from the open public space by a low wall and fence, there is a private yard, which is for the most part roofed in, and is used as a lumber room. This yard, which is some 40 ft. to 50 ft. in depth, and about 30 ft. wide, intervenes between a tall pile of warehouses, six stories high, occupied by Messrs. Horner and Sons, drug merchants, and a block of dwelling houses, with shops on the ground floor, the backs of which look upon the square, and the fronts face Mitre-street. The corner house only is occupied, the tenant being Mr. Taylor, a picture-frame maker, who was absent from home. Therefore the premises, together with those adjoining, were quite empty. In the fence above mentioned there is a door, which opens into the private yard, but it was locked. Near to the door is a coal shoot, and at a distance a couple of arched gratings, giving light to the cellars of the corner houses in Mitre-street. Above these gratings there are two windows, provided with green shutters, which were closed. The woman was lying on the pavement, with her head about eighteen inches from the door in the fence and the coal shoot, and with her legs toward the roadway."


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  • Christian
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post
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    Cracker that will sit down later and study this and all threads

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  • DJA
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    Originally posted by Juniper4576 View Post

    Did Jack enter from the front with Kate then dump her out the back?

    Sorry don't quite get what you mean. How did get into the square with Kate and how did he get out without Kate?
    Jack and Kate would have arrived at 6 Mitre Street around the same time,very roughly speaking.
    In the front door and into the front room.Nobody in Mitre Square would see the light.
    She does not know Stride is dead and tells Jack why she was not at Berner Street,hence "Nothing".
    Jack decides she is a liability and kills her.
    While he is waiting for the beat policeman to pass,he cuts the cholesterol out of the area around her eyes.
    He then takes her to the back window and through the gate.
    Sutton only stays there when he "misses" the last train to Sevenoaks,Kent where he lives with his wife.Hayderman's possibly lent him a gate key to access his back window.

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  • Christian
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post

    That is fantastic.

    There were large interconnecting cellars along there.

    Got picture of the demolition on another computer ..... somewhere
    This one??
    Attached Files

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  • Juniper4576
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post

    In the front door,out the back window.
    Did Jack enter from the front with Kate then dump her out the back?

    Sorry don't quite get what you mean. How did get into the square with Kate and how did he get out without Kate?

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  • DJA
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  • DJA
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    Originally posted by Christian View Post

    Interesting debate-thread here’s a layout of the buildings in Mitre Square more importantly the first floor of 5 & 6 Mitre Street!!
    That is fantastic.

    There were large interconnecting cellars along there.

    Got picture of the demolition on another computer ..... somewhere

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