Is Kosminski still the best suspect we have?

[Herlock Sholmes]

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Who from your list of witnesses above is the one who had ever had a good view of the murderer?!

If no one, then why bringing them here?!

The witness spoken of, had a good view of the murderer and he unhesitatingly identified the suspect

For a start Baron it’s a very well known fact, and just as relevant today, that witnesses can be mistaken. We might also ask, if the killer was definitely identified why wasn’t it announced? Why didn’t Anderson name him? All we have is Swanson. Kosminski was of the lowest class at the time. A man incarcerated in an asylum and who died in an asylum. Why did no one at anytime later simply announce him as the killer? Why did Swanson keep quiet on the subject for the rest of his life? Was this nobody so worthy of protection that the Police were happy to continue being the men that couldn’t catch the ripper?

There are questions to answer on every suspect. Kosminski is a valid suspect. He might have been the ripper.

As none of us know who the murderer actually was then how can we say for certain who saw him? This is the problem. You keep stating your opinions as if they are proven facts when anyone can see that they aren’t. No one else is doing that. None of us are saying that Druitt was definitely guilty only that there is a possibility and because he was named by a very senior police officer that he has to be considered seriously. Of course MacNaghten might have felt that the evidence against Druitt at the time was strong but he might still not have been the ripper but any suggestion that he simply plucked Druitt’s name out of thin air just because he died after the Kelly murder doesn’t hold water. He could have chosen any number of random people who would have appeared to have been a more likely suspect because of their history. But he didn’t. He named Druitt. Why?

Because he felt that he had good reason to.

[Trevor Marriott]

Ostrog is better!



The Baron

Ostrog was in jail in France at the time of the murders !!!!!!!!!

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[The Baron]

I don't believe Schwartz could so easily have recognised BS-man as a Jew, or that would have been in his statement.
He was clearly describing a gentile.

What are you even talking about??!

and who suggested that the witness knew the suspect was a jew before the identification took place?


You are writing just for the hell of it, smoke and mirrors.. nothing more, you have nothing



The Baron

[The Baron]

I don't believe Schwartz could so easily have recognised BS-man as a Jew, or that would have been in his statement.
He was clearly describing a gentile.
And, of course you're going to stretch 23 to 30, you have no choice. I expect nothing better.

I don't know who the witness was, Schwarz or someone else.. One thing I know as stated by Sir Anderson, a witness that had a good view of the murderer, and Swanson built his notes upon this too, so it has been corroborated.

Even you cannot tell, if some of the men I know are in their 23 or 30..

That is a sure thing.



The Baron

[Wickerman]

"undiscovered murders are rare in London, and the "Jack-the-Ripper" crimes are not in that category...I will merely add that the only person who had ever had a good view of the murderer unhesitatingly identified the suspect the instant he was confronted with him"


Who from your list of witnesses above is the one who had ever had a good view of the murderer?!

If no one, then why bringing them here?!

The witness spoken of, had a good view of the murderer and he unhesitatingly identified the suspect.

A claim that was never verified nor corroborated by anyone.


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Or are we going down that road where we claim age is hard to determine at night?
It certainly is, Nichols, Chapman, Eddowes & Stride were estimated to look younger than their real age due to their bodies being found by people who didn't know them - unlike Kelly.
So at night the recorded evidence appears to suggest people look younger in poor light. Which means our middle-aged suspect was likely older than he looked, not 10 years younger.

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Comparing orange to apple and women to men

You're suggesting that women show up different in gaslight?
Is this something else you've dreamed up, or do you have a reference for that?

The closest to the witness mentioned by Anderson, is Schwarz, and he saw someone around 30, that doesn't strike me as impossibility to be Kosminski in his 23, your argument about the age is rickety, we don't even have all the informations and don't know all the witness the police had at the time nor the only one who had ever had a good view of the murderer.

The Baron

I don't believe Schwartz could so easily have recognised BS-man as a Jew, or that would have been in his statement.
He was clearly describing a gentile.
And, of course you're going to stretch 23 to 30, you have no choice. I expect nothing better.

[harry]

What is obvious,when considering the number of persons who have been named as suspects,is that we need a means of defining what 'Suspect' means. Especially so,when writing of the Whitechapel killings,and the fact that police investigating those killings,held a view that there were no suspects.

[The Baron]

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No-one resembling Kozminski was spoken of in the subsequent Kelly case.

Is the description by Mrs Long a good fit for a 23 year old Kozminski?
What about BS-man in Berner st.?
Or the suspect seen by PC Smith?
Then there's the suspect in Duke St.
Finally, we have Blotchy, Astrachan or the Britannia-man.
Who among them looked 23 years old, and Jewish?

[/QUOTE=Wickerman;n763013]


"undiscovered murders are rare in London, and the "Jack-the-Ripper" crimes are not in that category...I will merely add that the only person who had ever had a good view of the murderer unhesitatingly identified the suspect the instant he was confronted with him"


Who from your list of witnesses above is the one who had ever had a good view of the murderer?!

If no one, then why bringing them here?!

The witness spoken of, had a good view of the murderer and he unhesitatingly identified the suspect.



[QUOTE=Wickerman;n763013]

Or are we going down that road where we claim age is hard to determine at night?
It certainly is, Nichols, Chapman, Eddowes & Stride were estimated to look younger than their real age due to their bodies being found by people who didn't know them - unlike Kelly.
So at night the recorded evidence appears to suggest people look younger in poor light. Which means our middle-aged suspect was likely older than he looked, not 10 years younger.

[/QUOTE=Wickerman;n763013]


Comparing orange to apple and women to men




The closest to the witness mentioned by Anderson, is Schwarz, and he saw someone around 30, that doesn't strike me as impossibility to be Kosminski in his 23, your argument about the age is rickety, we don't even have all the informations and don't know all the witness the police had at the time nor the only one who had ever had a good view of the murderer.



The Baron

[Columbo]

I once posted the official numbers of suicides in London each month. Can't remember the exact numbers 30-40 or something like that. The point was there were scores of choices for Mac, so if he had no cause, why pick Druitt?

There was also a policeman who shot himself in the head following the Kelly murder, in Hyde Park, or somewhere like that.

So it was a cop! Solved I say!

[The Baron]

Druitt is a suspect and of the named ones there's no one better.

Ostrog is better!



The Baron

[rjpalmer]

There was also a policeman who shot himself in the head following the Kelly murder, in Hyde Park, or somewhere like that.

Yes, it was Hyde Park. The PC was Richard Brown.


Evening News, 17 November 1888


SUICIDE IN HYDE PARK.

A man, since recognized as Louis S. Tauer, of Percy-square, King's-cross-road, shot himself in the mouth with a revolver in Hyde Park, yesterday afternoon. He was taken to St. George's Hospital still living, but died soon after admission.

IDENTIFICATION

The man who committed suicide in Hyde Park yesterday by shooting himself in the mouth with a revolver has now been fully identified as Richard Brown, a constable of the E division, belonging to Hunter-street Police-station.

* * *

We also have Robert Buchan, who lived in the East End itself.

East London Advertiser, Saturday, 24 November 1888.

SUICIDE BY A SHOEMAKER AT POPLAR. - A shoemaker named Robert Buchan, aged 40 [sic], of Robin Hood-lane, Poplar, committed suicide on Monday morning by cutting his throat. The act was seen by a neighbour, who was unable to prevent the deceased from carrying out his purpose. The reason for the suicide is unknown.


The theory that Druitt's suicide alone teleported him into a Scotland Yard internal report is obviously flawed.

[Wickerman]

Assuming Mac wasn't just BS-ing to make himself look important or in the know. Druitt committed suicide right when Mac needed a reason for the killings to stop. I wonder who else died that previous month after Kelly's murder? also the police ramped up again after Coles, Mackenzie etc,. So they didn't really have faith Druitt was the killer.

I once posted the official numbers of suicides in London each month. Can't remember the exact numbers 30-40 or something like that. The point was there were scores of choices for Mac, so if he had no cause, why pick Druitt?

There was also a policeman who shot himself in the head following the Kelly murder, in Hyde Park, or somewhere like that.

[Herlock Sholmes]

there both valid suspects you sillies!!!

Exactly

[Abby Normal]

there both valid suspects you sillies!!!

[Herlock Sholmes]

There is no evidence against Druitt, only one armchair officer, who didn't do the slightest of basic investigations.


Except the name, Macnaghten did't know anything about Druitt.



The Baron

There is no evidence against any suspect yet for some reason you burst into tears when anyone mentions Druitt. Why does Druitt cause this hysterical, unthinking, blinkered, biased response?

No matter how many outbursts of cluelessness you have it won’t change a thing. Druitt is a suspect and of the named ones there’s no one better.

[Herlock Sholmes]

You may have totally forgotten what Sam once teached you, well you need someone else to explain plain English to you.


The Baron

It’s you that needs the English lessons Baron not me. It’s ‘taught’ not ‘teached.’