Is Kosminski still the best suspect we have?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Assuming Mac wasn't just BS-ing to make himself look important or in the know. Druitt committed suicide right when Mac needed a reason for the killings to stop. I wonder who else died that previous month after Kelly's murder? also the police ramped up again after Coles, Mackenzie etc,. So they didn't really have faith Druitt was the killer.

Not at the time, no. MacNaghten received his information later. Mac liked and respected Munro. Munro thought that Mackenzie was a victim. So why wouldn’t Mac look for a nobody that died or was incarcerated after Mackenzie?

If someone, just after the murders, had looked into Druitt and Kosminski which one’s movements would have been the easiest to have tracked? Obviously Druitt -Barrister/School teacher/cricketer/society functions etc. Does it really make sense for Mac to have just picked Druitt because of when he died (even though Munro believed Mackenzie a victim) when anyone checking might have been able to say “hang on he was playing cricket 50 miles away at the time of x’s murder,” or “ he was attending a function with his family in Wimborne when Chapman was being killed.”

Picking Druitt just because he died after the Kelly murder makes no sense.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Do you truly believe this is a worthy argument?!



Really funny, as if naming Ostrog makes any sense huh?!



The Baron

Im not trying to make an ‘argument’ Baron. This is what you do. History shows us that it’s the only reason that you post.

There is no proof that any of the suspects were guilty. We interpret how we can and use our own judgment (if we have any)

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If you can’t understand a very simple point then I don’t see why I should waste time explaining it to you. At the end of the day Druitt was named as the likeliest suspect by the Chief Constable of the Met. He also had an actual link, by marriage, to the Druitt family and so was at least in a position to receive information via the them. Druitt had mental health issues that ran in the family although he could be normal on the surface and so would be convincing to his victims (as opposed to Kosminski who was virtually a drooling imbecile who ate food from the gutter.) He was 31 years old (the correct age range for a serial killer unlike Kosminski) and he was physically fit.

[Columbo]

So the question is “why not just pick a dead criminal or a dead or incarcerated lunatic?” Why pick someone with no record of violence? Someone looking into Druitt’s life might easily have found an alibi if one existed (unlike an unknown like Kozminski)

Choosing Druitt makes no sense unless Mac at the very least believed that he had good reason to name him.

Assuming Mac wasn't just BS-ing to make himself look important or in the know. Druitt committed suicide right when Mac needed a reason for the killings to stop. I wonder who else died that previous month after Kelly's murder? also the police ramped up again after Coles, Mackenzie etc,. So they didn't really have faith Druitt was the killer.

[The Baron]

True c.d. But it doesn't mean that the evidence against Druitt wasn't substantial though.

There is no evidence against Druitt, only one armchair officer, who didn't do the slightest of basic investigations.


Except the name, Macnaghten did't know anything about Druitt.



The Baron

[The Baron]

Choosing Druitt makes no sense unless Mac at the very least believed that he had good reason to name him.

Do you truly believe this is a worthy argument?!



Really funny, as if naming Ostrog makes any sense huh?!



The Baron

[The Baron]

A pointless, meaningless post.

You may have totally forgotten what Sam once teached you, well you need someone else to explain plain English to you.


The Baron

[Herlock Sholmes]

Druitt was absolutely not plucked out of thin air, that's pretty clear. but we'll never know the reasoning for his addition to the list. Private information.....

So the question is “why not just pick a dead criminal or a dead or incarcerated lunatic?” Why pick someone with no record of violence? Someone looking into Druitt’s life might easily have found an alibi if one existed (unlike an unknown like Kozminski)

Choosing Druitt makes no sense unless Mac at the very least believed that he had good reason to name him.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Mac, as you will know, said that Druitt’s family felt that he was guilty. So there has to be at least a possibility that they were correct.

But we don't know whether they communicated that to him directly or whether it came from a third party, correct?

c.d.

True c.d. But it doesn’t mean that the evidence against Druitt wasn’t substantial though.

[Herlock Sholmes]

It came from a third party.

"from private information I have little doubt but that his own family believed him to have been the murderer."

From that quote you cannot assume that someone from the family didn’t speak directly to him. You are hearing what you want to hear. As usual.


He will not say "I have little doubt but that...." If Druitt's family directly contacted him.


As Trevor once put it, he took it on a glass of cherry.



The Baron

A pointless, meaningless post.

[The Baron]

But we don't know whether they communicated that to him directly or whether it came from a third party, correct?

c.d.

It came from a third party.

"from private information I have little doubt but that his own family believed him to have been the murderer."


He would not have said "I have little doubt but that...." If Druitt's family directly contacted him.


As Trevor once put it, he took it on a glass of cherry.



The Baron

[c.d.]

Mac, as you will know, said that Druitt’s family felt that he was guilty. So there has to be at least a possibility that they were correct.

But we don't know whether they communicated that to him directly or whether it came from a third party, correct?

c.d.

[Columbo]

Not for the same reason, if you mean that he was named by Macnaghten ok, but he did die weeks after the last of the canonical victims, so he is contemporary. The Ripper investigation was still active when Druitt's body was found.

When do we first hear of Kozminski?
If Anderson was so absorbed by Kozminski, then why did he write in October 1888 that the police have no clue who the Ripper is, there not being a shred of evidence against anyone?
No-one resembling Kozminski was spoken of in the subsequent Kelly case.

Is the description by Mrs Long a good fit for a 23 year old Kozminski?
What about BS-man in Berner st.?
Or the suspect seen by PC Smith?
Then there's the suspect in Duke St.
Finally, we have Blotchy, Astrachan or the Britannia-man.
Who among them looked 23 years old, and Jewish?

Or are we going down that road where we claim age is hard to determine at night?
It certainly is, Nichols, Chapman, Eddowes & Stride were estimated to look younger than their real age due to their bodies being found by people who didn't know them - unlike Kelly.
So at night the recorded evidence appears to suggest people look younger in poor light. Which means our middle-aged suspect was likely older than he looked, not 10 years younger.

It seems quite likely that Anderson adopted Kozminski as an after-thought, well after the murders had finished.
He found some lunatic Jew to hang the murders on. And of course, if he was so certain, how is it no other police official in 1888 agreed with him?
https://www.casebook.org/dissertatio...steryplay.html

I meant he was named by Macnaughten. although by the descriptions, not the age, he doesn't seem to fit. a shabby, genteel foreigner. I don't know his height but I bet he was over 5'5. A supposition on my part of course, not really germane to the thread.

[Columbo]

He was named as a suspect by the Chief Constable of the Metropolitan Police who was confident that he knew the ripper’s identity until the end of his life.

Why did he kill himself ‘at the right time?’ MacNaghten’s friend and boss believed that Mackenzie was a victim so if Mac was just putting together a random list of ‘better than Cutbush’ suspects why not pick someone that had died after Mackenzie?

Of all the criminals and ‘lunatics’ that Mac had at his disposal for a place on his list why choose a man with no criminal record or history of violence?

At a time of rigid class consciousness why would Mac throw an innocent Druitt under the bus. Winchester school, Oxford, Inner Temple, cricket for the MCC? Not only that he was related by marriage to one of Mac’s best friends.

Druitt’s an unlikely choice to have been simply ‘plucked out of thin air.’

Mac, as you will know, said that Druitt’s family felt that he was guilty. So there has to be at least a possibility that they were correct.

Druitt was absolutely not plucked out of thin air, that's pretty clear. but we'll never know the reasoning for his addition to the list. Private information.....

[Herlock Sholmes]

Isn't Druitt a suspect because he was originally thought to be a medical man, which turned out to be untrue ? Why is he still a suspect, purely because he killed himself at the right time ?

He was named as a suspect by the Chief Constable of the Metropolitan Police who was confident that he knew the ripper’s identity until the end of his life.

Why did he kill himself ‘at the right time?’ MacNaghten’s friend and boss believed that Mackenzie was a victim so if Mac was just putting together a random list of ‘better than Cutbush’ suspects why not pick someone that had died after Mackenzie?

Of all the criminals and ‘lunatics’ that Mac had at his disposal for a place on his list why choose a man with no criminal record or history of violence?

At a time of rigid class consciousness why would Mac throw an innocent Druitt under the bus. Winchester school, Oxford, Inner Temple, cricket for the MCC? Not only that he was related by marriage to one of Mac’s best friends.

Druitt’s an unlikely choice to have been simply ‘plucked out of thin air.’

Mac, as you will know, said that Druitt’s family felt that he was guilty. So there has to be at least a possibility that they were correct.

[Wickerman]

.... Kosminiski is a suspect for the same reason Druitt is but he's named by several officials at different times which makes him the most likely but not necessarily JTR.

Columbo

Not for the same reason, if you mean that he was named by Macnaghten ok, but he did die weeks after the last of the canonical victims, so he is contemporary. The Ripper investigation was still active when Druitt's body was found.

When do we first hear of Kozminski?
If Anderson was so absorbed by Kozminski, then why did he write in October 1888 that the police have no clue who the Ripper is, there not being a shred of evidence against anyone?
No-one resembling Kozminski was spoken of in the subsequent Kelly case.

Is the description by Mrs Long a good fit for a 23 year old Kozminski?
What about BS-man in Berner st.?
Or the suspect seen by PC Smith?
Then there's the suspect in Duke St.
Finally, we have Blotchy, Astrachan or the Britannia-man.
Who among them looked 23 years old, and Jewish?

Or are we going down that road where we claim age is hard to determine at night?
It certainly is, Nichols, Chapman, Eddowes & Stride were estimated to look younger than their real age due to their bodies being found by people who didn't know them - unlike Kelly.
So at night the recorded evidence appears to suggest people look younger in poor light. Which means our middle-aged suspect was likely older than he looked, not 10 years younger.

It seems quite likely that Anderson adopted Kozminski as an after-thought, well after the murders had finished.
He found some lunatic Jew to hang the murders on. And of course, if he was so certain, how is it no other police official in 1888 agreed with him?

https://www.casebook.org/dissertations/dst-mysteryplay.html