Kosminski and Victim DNA Match on Shawl

[robhouse]

Yes, I understand that is what was published back in 2010. But is not the full story as I know it....will leave it at that.
Wolfie

What full story are you talking about anyway? Just to clarify... Yes many books have published that Woolf Abraham's was Aaron's brother-in-law. That does not make it correct. Have you done some Polish genaeology that I am unaware of?

RH

[Jeff Leahy]

Don't you mean Osborn Street? The City Hotel?
When you were previewing your documentary?
That interesting talk was I think as much about the mythology was contemporaneous with the actual murders.

Yeah it was me and Jake looking like the dapper cool guys we are…

But it was the City Hotel either 2011 or 12

Lots of sexy lambs in attendance…

Don Rumblow also gave a memorable speech

But does anyone know the name of the guy that gave the talk on Jack the Ripper Mythology?

Cheers Lechmere

Jx

[Lechmere]

Don't you mean Osborn Street? The City Hotel?
When you were previewing your documentary?
That interesting talk was I think as much about the mythology was contemporaneous with the actual murders.

[pinkmoon]

"Couldn't have been".

So, it's absolutly impossible. That's what your saying, right?

Wait....were you there? Were you actually AT all the murder sites in 1888? I mean, for you state it as FACT that the shawl wasn't there....and COULD NOT have been there..... I mean, I know it was dark. Could you have missed it? I want to trust your keen eyesight and powers of observation, but, I'm going to need just a bit more. But, if you were there.....why not just tell us!? WHO was Jack the Ripper?

Unless you've information I've not come across, there's been no difinitive dating of the shawl that places it's manufacture after 1888. I've seen that written....then refuted. Thus, that matter seems unsettled.

Far fetched as I think this whole 'shawl' business is...... I'm impressed that you not only have the conviction to state that it "couldn't have been at any of the murder sites", but that you feel compelled to post the same sentence over and over again as if it's some sort of performance art. But then, maybe you're also mumbling it under your breath, screaming it in public places, shouting it in your sleep. If that's the case, I think you may want to talk to someone...in person, that is. Not on the forum.

As there is absolutely not one shred of EVIDENCE to even place that shawl in the same decade as the murders I think my post is quite correct.Over the years we have had to suffer the ridiculous and in some cases down right dishonest stories or theories this overtakes them all by light years.

[Jeff Leahy]

This is an interesting post, Jeff. One that caused me to stop and think about "Jack" in way that I've not done previously. It occurs to me that from my earliest exposure to the murders (my early teens), I've always, on a somewhat subconsious level - felt that the killer was someone to be pitied. I suppose that upon reading the details of the murders my young impressionable mind formed an opinion: these crimes were committed by someone whose life was a hell.

Even now, the murders strike not as the work of someone evil, but of someone who was very, very sick.

Obviously, this is something quite subjective. I'm curious if others feel the same way.

A few years ago at one of the Jack the Ripper conferences that all us lambs seem to attend... (And I think Trevor Marriot gave a speach) Someone gave a rather good talk about the Jack the Ripper Mytholgy. And how the idea of Jack the Ripper has entered out psychi. It was the conference in Brick lane and I'm hoping someone can jog my very poor memory..It was about the myth the boogie man and the baggage we bring to the case before studying it..

But I do recall he tackled this question about our perceptions very well

Hoping someone comes to our assistance, as I believe the guy in question wrote a book and she that must be obeyed said that it was the best talk of that entire conference (Obviously I thought Jake and I were)

Yours Jeff

PS and please PM me if you are in London in October Jx

[MrBarnett]

This is an interesting post, Jeff. One that caused me to stop and think about "Jack" in way that I've not done previously. It occurs to me that from my earliest exposure to the murders (my early teens), I've always, on a somewhat subconsious level - felt that the killer was someone to be pitied. I suppose that upon reading the details of the murders my young impressionable mind formed an opinion: these crimes were committed by someone whose life was a hell.

Even now, the murders strike not as the work of someone evil, but of someone who was very, very sick.

Obviously, this is something quite subjective. I'm curious if others feel the same way.

Patrick,

I know what you mean. The realisation came to me when I read Tom Westcott's Bank Holiday Murders. The idea that the murders may have been committed not by a madman but by 'normal' East Enders came as a bit of a shock. It rather depressed me for a while. The idea that a tiny percentage of the population might have an illness that would drive them to commit such crimes seems far less disturbing than the idea that ostensibly normal people might go do as an exercise in power.

MrB

[Varqm]

It can't be fraud because ripperology has the lowest standard of proof in naming suspects in history. This is the norm.

Got to go...Trevor has sent his dog after me.

[Patrick S]

Actaully I agree with that to some extent…I think even though I see him as a good suspect I have a lot of sympathy for Aaron if he was the ripper..His life was destroyed by a bizarre illness over which he had no control.. And these woman died because of a bizarre illness.. not what people want to hear?

Perhaps the need to find someone more evil. Someone we can hate for what he did is one of the reasons so many are resistant to Aaron as a Suspect. Most of us don't wish to feel sorry for Jack the Ripper

And if you conclude Aaron may have been, then god help his internal pain of what he did for so long.. Schizophrenia is a terrible debilitating illness..

Yours Jeff

This is an interesting post, Jeff. One that caused me to stop and think about "Jack" in way that I've not done previously. It occurs to me that from my earliest exposure to the murders (my early teens), I've always, on a somewhat subconsious level - felt that the killer was someone to be pitied. I suppose that upon reading the details of the murders my young impressionable mind formed an opinion: these crimes were committed by someone whose life was a hell.

Even now, the murders strike not as the work of someone evil, but of someone who was very, very sick.

Obviously, this is something quite subjective. I'm curious if others feel the same way.

[Patrick S]

The thing that worries me about the shawl is that the lunatic Fringe havnt arrived yet.

For God's sake, don't WORRY! I can assure you, it WILL BE OKAY!

[Patrick S]

None of this is true because the shawl couldn't have been at any of the murder sites.

"Couldn't have been".

So, it's absolutly impossible. That's what your saying, right?

Wait....were you there? Were you actually AT all the murder sites in 1888? I mean, for you state it as FACT that the shawl wasn't there....and COULD NOT have been there..... I mean, I know it was dark. Could you have missed it? I want to trust your keen eyesight and powers of observation, but, I'm going to need just a bit more. But, if you were there.....why not just tell us!? WHO was Jack the Ripper?

Unless you've information I've not come across, there's been no difinitive dating of the shawl that places it's manufacture after 1888. I've seen that written....then refuted. Thus, that matter seems unsettled.

Far fetched as I think this whole 'shawl' business is...... I'm impressed that you not only have the conviction to state that it "couldn't have been at any of the murder sites", but that you feel compelled to post the same sentence over and over again as if it's some sort of performance art. But then, maybe you're also mumbling it under your breath, screaming it in public places, shouting it in your sleep. If that's the case, I think you may want to talk to someone...in person, that is. Not on the forum.

[pinkmoon]

None of this is true because the shawl couldn't have been at any of the murder sites.

[Hunter]

New evidence was presented by Jari and Edwards...

Something presumed by its author as evidence has been presented, nothing more.

[pinkmoon]

The thing that worries me about the shawl is that the lunatic Fringe havnt arrived yet.

[PaulB]

Please do not mention ouija boards again in case some one tries it and then publishes a book claiming case closed .

They already have. Pam Ball.

ell, maybe she didn't claim case closed.

[pinkmoon]

None of this is true because the shawl couldn't have been at any of the murder sites.