Kosminski and Victim DNA Match on Shawl

[mickreed]

We still don't know that the shawl isn't genuine. We don't know that it is genuine either. There is almost nothing that we know for sure.

Ever the pedant, me. What does 'genuine' mean? Is it 'genuine' 'Edwardian' or early-nineteenth century? Is it 'genuine' 'Russian' or 'continental' or 'English'?

Is the story attached to it by the family 'genuine', in the sense that they really believe it, in its entirety?

Was it 'genuinely' at the Mitre Square crime scene? Does it 'genuinely' have Eddowes, or Kosminski, DNA on it?

I could go on. But'll I'll just say one thing. Even if the answers to all of the above is 'No', that still won't, necessarily, make it a 'fake' or a 'fraud'. Merely an example of serial misidentification and/or misinterpretation, with a good dollop of wishful thinking.

[Theagenes]

Hello Theagenes. Thanks.

Perhaps not you, but MANY got agitated and thought science had solved the case. It hadn't.

And now we see that the claims about DNA were WILDLY exaggerated.

Cheers.
LC

Who is this "many" that got agitated? Seriously, name one person in this thread that "thought science had solved the case."

Name one.

[Theagenes]

Hello Chris. Thanks.

Well, HERE people knew--or many did--that the shawl was not genuine.

But the dear public?

Cheers.
LC

We still don't know that the shawl isn't genuine. We don't know that it is genuine either. There is almost nothing that we know for sure.

[MrBarnett]

Hello Chris. Thanks.

Well, HERE people knew--or many did--that the shawl was not genuine.

But the dear public?

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn,

The word 'knew' above strikes me as being on a par with RE's '100% match'.

MrB

[Toofew]

He did. He alters his M.O. with each attack. He refines his methods as he goes along and increases in the extremity of violence and mutilation.

I haven't got time to list the pattern here, but a pretty good rundown is given in the paper "The Jack the Ripper Murders: A Modus Operandi and Signature Analysis of the 1888–1891 Whitechapel Murders" by Keppel, Weis, Brown and Welch - Journal of Investigative Psychology and Offender Profiling 2: 1–21 (2005).

He had target specificity, planning and organisation.

Thanks Mabuse! The article can be read in PDF format at:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jip.22/abstract

Click on the PDF link on the bottom right of the abstract section.

Billy

[Caligo Umbrator]

A Mathematician, a Physicist, and an astronomer were travelling north by train. They had just crossed the border into Scotland, when the Astronomer looked out of the window and saw a single black sheep in the middle of a field. "All Scottish sheep are black," he remarked. "No, my friend," replied the Physicist, "Some Scottish sheep are black." At which point the Mathematician looked up from his paper and glanced out the window. After a few second's thought he said blandly: "In Scotland, there exists at least one field, in which there exists at least one sheep, at least one side of which is black."
http://www.mathmos.net/misc/jokes.html

Chris,
It wasn't a black sheep - it was a Woolfs brother in sheeps clothing . . .
Caligo

[wolfie1]

What full story are you talking about anyway? Just to clarify... Yes many books have published that Woolf Abraham's was Aaron's brother-in-law. That does not make it correct. Have you done some Polish genaeology that I am unaware of?

RH

Sent PM re details.

[Chris]

Well, HERE people knew--or many did--that the shawl was not genuine.

A Mathematician, a Physicist, and an astronomer were travelling north by train. They had just crossed the border into Scotland, when the Astronomer looked out of the window and saw a single black sheep in the middle of a field. "All Scottish sheep are black," he remarked. "No, my friend," replied the Physicist, "Some Scottish sheep are black." At which point the Mathematician looked up from his paper and glanced out the window. After a few second's thought he said blandly: "In Scotland, there exists at least one field, in which there exists at least one sheep, at least one side of which is black."

http://www.mathmos.net/misc/jokes.html

[lynn cates]

public

Hello Chris. Thanks.

Well, HERE people knew--or many did--that the shawl was not genuine.

But the dear public?

Cheers.
LC

[Lechmere]

I don't recall reading anyone getting excited, on either forum, that science had solved the case.
Perhaps I may have missed the odd stray remark though.

We don't now see that the DNA claims have been WILDLY exaggerated.
We have seen questions raised, which may or may not be satisfactorily answered - one way or the other.

The wild and exaggerated claims unfortunately can largely be characterised as personal abuse.

[lynn cates]

Hear ye.

Hello Jason. Good. Keep beating the drum. Perhaps even the deaf will hear.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

bottom line

Hello Cris.

"Something presumed by its author as evidence has been presented, nothing more."

Right. Bottom line.

Cheers.
LC

[Chris]

Perhaps not you, but MANY got agitated and thought science had solved the case.

I don't think anyone here thought that.

[lynn cates]

claims

Hello Theagenes. Thanks.

Perhaps not you, but MANY got agitated and thought science had solved the case. It hadn't.

And now we see that the claims about DNA were WILDLY exaggerated.

Cheers.
LC

[Chris]

Yes many books have published that Woolf Abraham's was Aaron's brother-in-law.

It's also unfortunate that the current A-Z still has this error in it. And also omits part of the information Jacob Cohen gave to Dr Houchin, including the reference to self-abuse!