Have Ripperologists Been Polled As To Who They Think Jack Really Was?

[Tom_Wescott]

our biggest problem here is the Lawende sighting, and all the crap that goes with GH,

I'd say the biggest problem facing Ripperologists is that some view evidence as a 'problem' and not an opportunity for insight and understanding.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[lynn cates]

difficulties

Hello Malcolm. As I see it, the difficulties are these.

1. To ascertain REAL sightings of the victims as opposed to mistaken ones.

2. To verify the accuracy of the reports of people seen with the victims in the REAL cases.

3. To keep our propensity in check as human beings to lump things together.

For me, not an easy task.

Good luck.

Cheers.
LC

[Malcolm X]

Hello Greg. Thanks.

"It appears they combined Blotchy and Astro-Man into one dude."

Possibly. Except Blotchy had a lighter moustache. His description tallies with Red Jim McDermott's.

They could both be blotchy faced. After all, their line of work paid exceedingly well and afforded much good food and drink.

Cheers.
LC

hi lynn

all of these guys could lighten a moustache to be sailor boy, ok you'd look a bit odd, but i doubt that Eddowes would mind, but it's unlikely that our suspect is blotchy face.... Simply because he was seen way too well with her, plus too early in the evening and looks too drunk too !

if this killer is a dark faced Brit/ European and looks older than his years, then due to the tight timing with regards to Eddowes, we have a problem Houston, he must have come along later, disguised his face with make up, or Lawende messed up what he saw...totally !..... but if so why didn't his mates mention this.

but this guy is ok for ANNIE CHAPMAN, STRIDE ( because her killer cant be identified anyway, plus we have a suspect that looks like a bank clerk too, plus also an older style sailor boy, the one that said ``you'd say anything but your prayers`` etc) plus he's ok for MJK, because he can either be the S.LEWIS suspect, the one that she sais that she saw in the papers after the 10th, or even LA DE DA himself.

whatever the case, we keep seeing a semi posh/shabby genteel foreign looking suspect that has been mentioned from the 10th nov onwards, in fact right through this murder case, there is also that idiot seen carrying a black bag and scaring women on purpose, what a thick muppet he was, this guy will be an upper class toff from the WEST END pretending to be JTR, so i think we can ignore him !!!!!

but this guy that keeps sneaking in and out under our radar could easily be G.Chapman or someonme like LE GRAND, with a 50% error in suspect description

our biggest problem here is the Lawende sighting, and all the crap that goes with GH, but i have to fight this out with BEN next year because right now i'm fed up thinking about him, i've had enough of this rubbish about him...i need to recharge my batteries

Chapman/ druitt/le grand or some irish bloke is ok, just watch out for this lawende suspect

[lynn cates]

on the other hand

Hello Maria. But my point is that astute gentleman like Jonathan Hainsworth, John Ruffles and Andrew Spallek would beg to differ.

There were obviously several individuals in Autumn, 1888 capable of murder; some were also capable of mutilation. The REAL sticking point is whether they in fact did so.

Cheers.
LC

[mariab]

I would take Druitt out of that list. (And there's been other short-lived but documented contemporary suspects, such as Sadler, Gainger, D'Onston, even Ostrog, about whom we recently got reminded that he used a gun on police a couple times.)

Are you saying the Ripper community has missed the boat on this aspect of the case?

Not sure which aspect you're referring to?

PS.: Lynn, I'm worried a bit about the AF printouts. I truly hope they're legible.

[lynn cates]

suspects

Hello Maria. I was speaking only of the major suspects--Druitt, Kosminski, Tumblety, LeGrand, Klosowski, etc.

Are you saying the Ripper community has missed the boat on this aspect of the case?

Cheers.
LC

[mariab]

The idea that three men were behind these murders must border on the absurd.

The Ripper Community, as a whole, have put forward a good 2 dozen chaps whom are thought capable of such.

Oh, come on Lynn, and how many (how few) of them are legit?
(Still, I know what you're gonna answer: “More than 3“.)

OK, so we have Isenschmid killing Tabram, Nichols and Chapman. Le Grand killing Stride and McDermott killing Kelly.So who killed Eddowes?

Same guy who killed Stride. :-)


Originally Posted by DVV
And who killed Bambi?

No one. As I recall, it was Bambi's mum who got done in.

I'm tempted to say, Hunter might have.

[The Grave Maurice]

And who killed Bambi ?

No one. As I recall, it was Bambi's mum who got done in.

[lynn cates]

reasons

Hello Scott. I can think of no reason. Seeing X with Y on the day of Y's death is no reason to assume X KILLED Y.

I am HEARTILY interested in both Millen and McDermott vis-a-vis "MJK"--not, however, as the knife wielder.

Cheers.
LC

[Scott Nelson]

Hello, hello, hello....

You tell me.

[lynn cates]

etc

Hello Scott. Is this for me?

Not so sure that JI killed Tabram. Is it established that he carried a penknife?

Don't think Le Grand killed Stride. Might have killed Eddowes.

McDermott? Doubt he killed anyone. But he and Millen had both worked for Sir Ed and, after he was sacked, Gosselin retained some members of his former chief's crew.

Do I think Millen was A-man? Yup. McDermott, Blotchy? Yup. But why would EITHER be regarded MJK's killer?

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

And who killed Bambi ?

[Scott Nelson]

OK, so we have Isenschmid killing Tabram, Nichols and Chapman. Le Grand killing Stride and McDermott killing Kelly. So who killed Eddowes?

[lynn cates]

blotchiness

Hello Greg. Thanks.

"It appears they combined Blotchy and Astro-Man into one dude."

Possibly. Except Blotchy had a lighter moustache. His description tallies with Red Jim McDermott's.

They could both be blotchy faced. After all, their line of work paid exceedingly well and afforded much good food and drink.

Cheers.
LC

[GregBaron]

Blotchy changed clothes?

Thanks Lynn.

It appears they combined Blotchy and Astro-Man into one dude. Now that certainly is food for thought........



Greg