Have Ripperologists Been Polled As To Who They Think Jack Really Was?

[lynn cates]

math

Hello Caroline.

"I simply don't understand the recent trend for seeing this particularly sordid series as something else completely - something that would be truly unique in the long history of criminal behaviour.'

I think it's simply that the last 3 killings do not add up.

"That makes it fiction, unless you can demonstrate why it's not."

Sadly, I think everything from the "Double Event" on is simply that.

Here's to all our further research.

Cheers.
LC

[Hunter]

As soon as someone latches on to a suspect, they seem to spend the rest of their days trying to fit a square peg into a round hole; adding or deleting certain victims to make a fit; dismissing or distorting certain evidence and rationalizing less plausible theories as a solution.

Unsolved mysteries are natural breeding grounds for such and this one is at the top of the list. But, admittedly, it would have, long ago, faded from memory if that was not the case. That is the essence of Ripperology. The more mundane study from a strictly historical perspective is not sensational enough and garners little attention or prestige for that type of researcher outside of a small group of people of the same ilk.

[caz]

Hello Caroline. Frankly, I think MJK would have looked about the same, C1-C4 notwithstanding.

Frankly, Lynn, I would not like to think of you spending too much of the rest of your life trying to support that one.

This is my London we are talking about, at a time when all four of my grandparents were growing up. It's really not very far back in time, and society's criminal elements did not behave so very differently from how they behave today. Countless serial murder victims since the late 1880s have shown the Whitechapel prostitute killings, sadly, to be a long long way from unique.

I simply don't understand the recent trend for seeing this particularly sordid series as something else completely - something that would be truly unique in the long history of criminal behaviour. That makes it fiction, unless you can demonstrate why it's not.

Love,

Caz
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[lynn cates]

sundry

Hello Malcolm.

"Eddowes was the first to have her face mutilated and thus can not be copycat of anyone."

Similarly, Annie was the first to evince organ removal.

"MJK is a hideous mess for one obvious reason only..... only one...... he did not have nearly enough time to mutilate Eddowes like he wanted to, he only had about 5 mins....so he only quickly toyed with her."

But why not invite her back to your place? Plenty of time then.

"the 2nd lesser reason, MJK is an escalation in horror/ perversion, that's all."

So was Eddowes--if by the same hand. And Liz a DE-ESCALATION--if by the same hand.

"he knew this was going to happen next time"

Prescient, eh? But could he predict the cup final? (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

nosy

Hello David. Oops, almost missed you.

Well, you are a man who understands symbolism. I have posted elsewhere a story about some who mutilated the face--in particular, the nose and ears.

The reason? "You put your nose where it did not belong."

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

dodgy

Hello Malcolm.

"You ask anybody that matters and the C5 holds firm, the only dodgy murders are the other lot, the Coles and Mackenzies/ torsos."

Well, on behalf of those who DON'T matter, I find this whole business rather dodgy. (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

mix and match

Hello Caroline. Frankly, I think MJK would have looked about the same, C1-C4 notwithstanding.

If I were to think of her in terms of copycat, I would think Phoenix Park--although, of course, those blokes were in haste and needed to do a quick job.

Her murder also portends the Cronin murder yet to come. (I speak with respect to intent and sharp instruments--not just wounds.)

Cheers.
LC

[Malcolm X]

Not sure. The fact that the most mutilated victim is also the last one makes the reason slightly more complicated, imo.

yes it does, my guess is it's the last one because he was after a heart only, this final murder has to be the greatest sacrafice of all, hence it's done indoors, it probably featured VOODOO style chants and silly Pagan rubbish too, hence a massive fire burning that ruined the kettle..

no idea, but it's probably something like this, because removing the heart is highly symbolic of anything Pagan, as is the way the corpse looks, very creepy indeed.

5 points to a pentagon, 5 murders and no more....maybe and maybe he died before he was about to kill again, or maybe he did kill another 5 and simply hid the bodies

[DVV]

MJK is a hideous mess for one obvious reason only..... only one......

Not sure. The fact that the most mutilated victim is also the last one makes the reason slightly more complicated, imo.

[Wickerman]

....and you know too but hate to admit it, that JTR is an anti-semetic bastard as well and he thinks he's on an occult 4th Crusade to the Holy Lands, he thus describes the killer as a LA DE DA jew, a get rich quick diamond dealer from Petticoat lane.

you know it, i know it but cant prove it, JTR is GH, for sure...... damn it

I guess we can mark you down as "undecided".
:-)

Jon

[Malcolm X]

the ony true copycat can be MJK, simply because Eddowes was the first to have her face mutilated and thus can not be copycat of anyone.

please remember this because to mention this again really does mess you up.

plus, MJK is a hideous mess for one obvious reason only..... only one...... he did not have nearly enough time to mutilate Eddowes like he wanted to, he only had about 5 mins....so he only quickly toyed with her.

the 2nd lesser reason, MJK is an escellation in horror/ perversion, that's all.

he knew this was going to happen next time, so he went looking for an inside murder only, all of this that i'm telling you makes so much sense doesn't it and you know it does.

and you know too but hate to admit it, that JTR is an anti-semetic bastard as well and he thinks he's on an occult 4th Crusade to the Holy Lands, he thus describes the killer as a LA DE DA jew, a get rich quick diamond dealer from Petticoat lane.

you know it, i know it but cant prove it, JTR is GH, for sure...... damn it

there's no point polling it, because i cant prove it

[Malcolm X]

I'd say the biggest problem facing Ripperologists is that some view evidence as a 'problem' and not an opportunity for insight and understanding.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

as long as it's not unrealistic my old friend, because this copycat stuff is just a poor excuse to insert a weak suspect, you ask anybody that matters and the C5 holds firm, the only dodgy murders are the other lot, the Coles and Mackenzies/ torsos.

GH is by far the most realistic suspect, simply because he's directly connected to the last murder in a highly suspicious way, this in turn, also connects him to Eddowes and Stride, plus similar suspects were seen here too, especially Lawende.

whoever killed MJK, definitely killed the other two...FACT, this is because of the GRAFFITI/ APRON and the location of Dutfields.

you only need to suss out who killed MJK to find out who was JTR.... this is why i focus on her only.

finally to really prove this, we need to find out what happened after 1889, and this is where we're Screwed.... the best place to look is deffo Romford

i'm surprised that in all the time that i've been off this forum, that the pro GH guys havent been doing this, rather than argueing here and thus getting barred from posting in.

my guess is JTR had to temporarily stop killing, was about to start up again, but probably died, i very much doubt he went insane, because going insane is quite rare, you are way more likely to die of ill health.

even if JTR was killing due to the occult only, he would still carry on after a break, because that's the nature of the beast.

so why did this guy called GH stop, well apart from the obvious ( going to Abberline), there must be another reason too, so he either died or he shot off abroad or he used his brains and hid the bodies!!!!!!

[caz]

But Lynn, what about MJK's face - or lack thereof?

MJK, with her total disfigurement, would seem to have been an even more creative copycat of your only TRUE copycat, who was the first to venture above the neck with his pointy paintbrush.

Curiouser and curiouser.

Love,

Caz
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[DVV]

Hi Lynn

why would a "true" copycat disfigure her ? His model never did so.

[lynn cates]

copycat

Hello David. I think Kate was the only TRUE copycat killing.

Cheers.
LC